This really is serious stuff. Of course, Michael Crichton, in a novel “State of Fear,” exposed how the pro-warming scientific community lied for years. To this date, it’s the only novel I’ve ever seen with a bibliography and source notes!!
This ought to ratchet-up the discussion, even in the MSM.
Posted that article on my facebook page. HOW VERY INTERESTING!
(So far, Al Gore has killed 2,482 polar bears.)
First time I've heard the phrase. I like it.
I found this rather interesting. It’s under ‘Letter To Mike 13.10.06’ from the download:
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Mike, 13 October 2006
To be honest your message presents us with something of a problem. We initially envisaged that you would do precisely what you have done and produce these results that appear to confirm what we suspected: that the results of von Storch et al. do not carry over to the RegEM method, but instead overstate the likely underestimation of long-term amplitude (in addition there is their detrending error to consider). We are happy with this and very interested to see the specific results regarding the RegEM approach and would love to see more detail (sensitivity to noise choices, PC patterns involved, etc.). Certainly we would be happy to be co-authors on a paper that describes the results as you summarise them here. Our problem arises, however, from your suggestion of using these results as part of a response to comments by the German group. We would much rather not use the results in this way. This is because we believe this would destroy our (personally conceived perhaps) impartiality as viewed from outside. We believe the original von Storch et al/Burger set of papers do show potential for loss of long-timescale reconstruction skill, even though the effective magnitude was incorrectly presented in their original paper. Also, providing the data for (and being co-authors on) a paper that is part of an ongoing debate might reasonably be considered a breach of faith by our SOAP partners, especially as there might be parts of your response that we might not sanction wholly and which would then delay you in providing your response to Journal of Climate. Providing data, sharing analysis and helping to author a specific paper on testing the RegEM method within a range of pseudo-proxy environments (including ECHO-G), would be more consistent with our understanding of the argreement between the SOAP partners.
Personally, we would also love to see the results repeated for the HadCM3 runs using RegEM – and perhaps both also redone with the detrending step to demonstrate clearly, in multiple models, the impact of that step on the results. This is not to say that we would yet agree on detail of interpretation – but this discussion, we feel, would be better in the context of a specific, stand alone paper, i.e. independent of the details and precedence of your debate with Hans and Eduardo. I hope you will accept that we gave this offer much consideration and now await your opinion.
Best wishes,
Keith and Tim
1.The American mass media will ignore this story, or (if forced to cover it because of other countries' freer presses) they'll downplay it, hint that the emails are fakes, etc.
2.Most Americans get their news from ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC/CNN/(God help us) Jon Stewart's Daily Show etc. If these ignore or downplay it, it didn't happen.
3.If FOX ignores, it changes nothing. If FOX covers it, it changes nothing, because the obamabots call it FAUX news and ASSume it slants everything rightward, while the mainstream media is perfectly fair, balanced, and neutral.
4.Too much money is at stake (I'm talking about such "cures" as cap and trade, carbon credits, carbon trading, etc, if they're implemented).This money would go to the scientists who play along, the governments that tax, the NGOs that are to administer the anti AGW bodies, and to Third World countries full of melanin enhanced people. The money would be taken overwhelmingly from the working and middle class of countries in which the majority of the population (for now) is melanin deficient. This last is reason enough for the PTB to adore the AGW Fraud : It would make those racistsexistxenophobichomophobicneanderthals suffer the most.
5.The AGW myth is the key to enslaving humanity: That is the real point of cap and trade, huge tax increases, the Tobin tax (on free travel) carbon credits, the need for "extra governmental agencies" to oversee the machinery against "climate change"...No way will the would be enslavers of mankind allow anything to take away their power, right when it's in their grasp.
6.True Believers have too much of their self esteem wrapped up in believing in AGW. Look online at the crap posted about it: Those who believe in it truly believe that their belief proves they are smarter, better educated, and more caring than those who are "deniers". This also bosters antiAmericanism among European true believers. They WANT AGW to be true so they can go on feeling superior-they would be devastated to allow this to be taken away. If they even hear about this (see points1-3), they'll call the e mails spoofs, etc.
(Aristotle described all non Greeks as "natural slaves", because they willingly gave their freedom up to absolute monarchs. He believed Greeks therefore had a right if not a duty to enslave all mankind(sort of how moslems arrogate that right today). But even Aristotle thought that the "barbarians" didn't want to be slaves, and would fight back-he never imagined there would be such a thing as Volunteer Slaves. And that is precisely what the AGW True Believers are : volunteer slaves who WANT to give up their money and their freedom to 'save the planet', because it would make them feel good about themselves. )
Ha ha! This is sounding more credible all the time.
Let’s hope they have some emails from American climatologists that will implicate them, too. Because they’re all in this scam together.
What is amazing, the lack of public common sense, contrary empirical evidence, junk science and duplicitous behavior of scientists, political funding and public policy fraud…The question to be asked, if they have been lying about this, what else is based on circumstantial relevance. Then what will be done to the political class and the corruption which they have pursued over the years. I would prefer for some scientific society to sue Al Gore for conspiracy to commit fraud, second, every time someone sees these political terrorists and Al Gore in public make a scene calling him the liars and human debris which they represent.
Politically-driven science busted ping.
Just a reminder: This Hoax is about power and money....not protecting the planet.
“”...there will be no peace in the tormented world, only a programmed and systematic series of wars and calamities- until the plotters have gained their objective: an exhausted world willing to submit to a planned Marxist economy and total and meek enslavement- in the name of peace.”
Taylor Caldwell 1976
bump
I have no problems with alternative energy. If someone wants to promote it, that’s fine. I frankly would love to be able to power our home with photovoltaic energy, and heat it with hot water provided by passive or active solar heating. Just don’t force it through government edict, using the false premise that the use of fossil fuels is going to kill the planet, or humanity.
One quote from an email titled “Fishers” - “The elevation corrected south GRIP Holocene has a very strong
negative delta trend in it and I expect there should be some correction done to the north GRIP record too,, eventually I think they should all come out looking like our records from Northern Canada. Now at least ice core records have some low frequencies to correct... not like your bloody trees that can not remember one century to the next”
This email outlines blatant changing of data in order to make it fit with the result they want. They admit the data they collected trends against the results they want but to ‘preserve their funding’ they need to “correct the data”.
This is the best article on this scandal so far.
Hi Phil,
lets not get into the topic of hate mail. I promise you I could fill your inbox w/ a very long list of vitriolic attacks, diatribes, and threats I've received.
Its part of the attack of the corporate-funded attack machine, i.e. its a direct and highly intended outcome of a highly orchestrated, heavily-funded corporate attack campaign. We saw it over the summer w/ the health insurance industry trying to defeat Obama's health plan, we'll see it now as the U.S. Senate moves on to focus on the cap & trade bill that passed congress this summer. It isn't coincidental that the original McIntyre and McKitrick E&E paper w/ press release came out the day before the U.S. senate was considering the McCain Lieberman climate bill in '05.
we're doing the best we can to expose this. I hope our Realclimate post goes some ways to exposing the campaign and pre-emptively deal w/ the continued onslaught we can expect over the next month...
Keep in mind that these are the same two who colluded to destroy emails requested under the FOIA.
Yet they see evil corporate forces trying to destroy every liberal social engineering scheme the left can pull together.
Its a neat little window into the minds of these freaks destroying our world.
Algore Fraud Bump!