Posted on 11/20/2009 6:04:03 AM PST by NYer
ROME — A Vatican researcher claims she has found a nearly invisible text on the Shroud of Turin and says the discovery proves the authenticity of the artifact revered as Jesus' burial cloth.
The claim made in a new book by historian Barbara Frale drew immediate skepticism from some scientists, who maintain the shroud is a medieval forgery.
Frale, a researcher at the Vatican archives, says the faint writing emerged through computer analysis of photos of the shroud, which is not normally accessible for study.
Frale says the jumble of Greek, Latin and Aramaic includes the words "Jesus Nazarene" and mentions he was sentenced to death. She believes the text was written on a document by a clerk to identify the body and the ink then seeped into the cloth.
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Yes, Passover, (the second Passover seder would have been on Friday evening) but not only that. The Jewish practice, Passover or not, then and now, is to bury ASAP, with little ceremony and no delay. The practice was to bury by sundown of the same day of the death, which in the spring of the year is about 6pm, so all the more, they had to work fast.
The practice of sitting around in "veneration of the body" is not something that happened in Jewish life those days. A dead body was considered very "unclean."
To this day, if you talk to a religious Jew with the last name of "Cohen,"* you will find that they have never been in a cemetery, not even for their own close relatives, because as members of the priestly tribe, they are to keep themselves ritually pure.
*I have realtives named "Cohen" and this is a fact drawn from my own experience.
Imagine! 600 years at least of an uninterrupted seat of power. The Vatican has no need to sway with public opinion, answers to no government, pays tax to no one, more or less has access to the leaders of all nations, controls an empire of churches which cover the globe... I suppose they have some veeeery interesting items in their collection. I wanna see!!
You might be disappointed. The term "secret" is used in the old sense of "personal." This is the Papal Archive, as opposed to the archive of the Curia or some other bureaucratic library. Of course, there might be something juicy somewhere, but to think that this is a "library of juicy stuff that needs to be hidden" would be a mistake.
In the interest of forestalling more Dan Brown idiocies, they should change the name to the "Pope's Own Collection" or somesuch.
There was a History Channel episode where some guy replicated Picknett and Prince's experiment of 1994 wherein they claimed it was the world's first photograph - a "miracle" in itself.
Lots of anomalies in the image - back image longer than the front, head proportionally too small, line of separation between head and torso, and the "hinged" aspect: if it was a burial cloth, where's the top of the head? The Images are too close together.
Mankind has a habit of attaching a holy/ghostly/alien origin to something that appears inexplicable. The Turin Shroud is one of those cases.
It is true that Christ was buried in a private tomb and the identities of both Jesus and Joseph of Arimathea were well known. However, there is every reason to think that after the resurrection somone came in the possession of the burial cloth and decided to inscribe it so that its nature is known for posterity, just like one might do with any family heirloom that is visibly just a sheet of fabric likely to be reused.
“The Vatican has **secret** archives?”
Apparently, not any more!
Eat???
CA....
What a waste!
What?
Veneration of an object is still a pagan act.
The classic “We have George Washington’s hatchet he used to chop down the cherry tree. The blade had rusted out already when it was found, so we reforged one using a blacksmith knowledgeable in the techniques of the period. Later the handle rotted, so a heirloom carpenter made one from the oldest tree of the same type of wood we could find....”
Luckily not knowing definitions of words used still isn’t a sin
You didn’t read, or perhaps didn’t understand, what I wrote.
Read it again and get back with me.
Then why did God in the old testament want the Ark of the Covenant made of gold?
Besides, my post wasn’t a taking of sides, just an example of how misunderstandings occur.
Don’t forget, in my example, the possession of the table was always a constant. Just like with the Shroud of Turin being in the possession of the Catholic Church.
In my example, the family didn’t pick up a table at a antique store or garage sale and then try to play it up.
As for George Washington’s axe, I’m using it now to chop down your argument... LOL!
No need to re-read yours; but I checked out Post #21 again. Still can’t find the veneration.
Hey! Did you know you’re not that other guy I just thought I replied to? Ooops
And honestly, I didn’t really mean to use the hatchet example for the case of the shroud - I was just taking the table example to it’s extreme limit. Well, mostly I was just fitting in a pretend case study into a situation where it fit or not, cuz that little story always amuses me and I don’t get to use it much.
After you've wasted all that time, look up, "voilà!"...
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Phony sophistication destroys credibility....
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