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Navy finds lax behavior aboard sub in collision (USS Hartford)
AP ^ | November 18, 2009 | NA

Posted on 11/18/2009 10:47:08 AM PST by buccaneer81

Navy finds lax behavior aboard sub in collision

GROTON, Conn. (AP) -- The crew aboard a U.S. submarine made dozens of errors before the vessel collided with an American warship in the Persian Gulf, an accident that exposed lax leaders who tolerated sleeping, slouching and a radio room rigged with music speakers, a Navy review found.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: collision; navy; usshartford; ussneworleans
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To: buccaneer81
If you think sleeping on watch is bad, wait until they put women on subs.
21 posted on 11/18/2009 11:19:18 AM PST by colorado tanker (What's it all about, Barrrrry? Is it just for the power, you live?)
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To: Little Bill

Nice freakin sail! That’s better than what I saw the time the LaJolla decided to try and sink a torpedo retriever the hard way, by using the fairwater planes.


22 posted on 11/18/2009 11:23:24 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: buccaneer81

The collision caused $2.3 million in damage to the New Orleans, and the cost so far of repairs to the Hartford is $102.6 million, the newspaper reported.


23 posted on 11/18/2009 11:23:31 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Wow, those pictures sure give a sense of scale. I thought modern subs were bigger than that.

(I remember getting in the Gato class in Mobile. One of the vets inside invited us to take a peek into one of the machinery spaces since we were obviously not just casual visitors. It was amazing ... how little room there was to move around in that thing.)


24 posted on 11/18/2009 11:24:09 AM PST by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: Kommodor

90% is underwater. A Los Angeles Class is 32’ diameter and 365’ long.


25 posted on 11/18/2009 11:25:45 AM PST by Pan_Yan (Do I have to add a sarcasm tag?)
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To: buccaneer81

No doubt you remember Carrie Saxon-Perry. Hartford has never recovered from her. Right now the Mayor is under indictment along with a former state representative for bribery. The City Clerk recently committed suicide and a police officer is on trial for shooting a suspect who tried to run him over.

The good news is that with the exodus of people, Hartford will soon be just another rural village again.


26 posted on 11/18/2009 11:26:42 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan
No doubt you remember Carrie Saxon-Perry.

That's her. I lived in Vernon but worked in Enfield. The only times I ever went into downtown Hartford was for Whaler games.

27 posted on 11/18/2009 11:31:53 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81
My father's destroyer once ran aground entering Pearl Harbor and it was the Captain's fault not the helmsman. That article made discipline sound lax for a small business let alone a United States Navy vessel.
28 posted on 11/18/2009 11:38:03 AM PST by dog breath
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To: buccaneer81

Did you hear that Bob Steele died?


29 posted on 11/18/2009 11:39:15 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: Kommodor
I thought modern subs were bigger than that.

SSBNs (Ohio class) are quite a bit larger than SSN Los Angeles class.


30 posted on 11/18/2009 11:39:27 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

For the record, the Hartford has a long, long way to go to catch up with the USS Jacksonville (aka USS Crashville) for most peacetime tonnage sunk or damaged. I remember tying them up the night they gutted a Saudi cargo ship.


31 posted on 11/18/2009 11:43:51 AM PST by Pan_Yan (Do I have to add a sarcasm tag?)
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To: blue-duncan
Did you hear that Bob Steele died?

That was several years ago, wasn't it? He must have been 90 + years old.

I listened more to WPOP than WTIC. On WPOP I listened to AJ Austin as the lead-in to Rush.

32 posted on 11/18/2009 11:44:54 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

All that remains is to paint it pink.


33 posted on 11/18/2009 11:51:01 AM PST by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: OCCASparky

Love that sailor talk, but I being, as the Duke of Wellington said of his troops, “Scum of the earth enlisted for drink” find all that technical stuff beyond my ken.


34 posted on 11/18/2009 11:59:45 AM PST by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: buccaneer81

Ginger?


35 posted on 11/18/2009 12:09:24 PM PST by goodtomato (I'm blessed!)
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To: goodtomato
Ginger?

LOL!

36 posted on 11/18/2009 12:14:13 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: org.whodat
Any idea as to the ID of that dinghy -- and where I might purchase one?

I enjoy fishing a number of small local lakes/ponds. and my 40-year-old 7' Dayton Sportyak is beginning to give up the ghost...

37 posted on 11/18/2009 12:39:19 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: buccaneer81

As a former Chief of the Boat (retired in 1984) I realize and understand the pressure on a submarine crew. That said, there is no excuse for lack of discipline and the CO and COB deserved to be reassigned and they should be court-martialed.


38 posted on 11/18/2009 1:36:23 PM PST by New Jersey Realist (Congress doesn't care a damn about "we the people")
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To: New Jersey Realist

Having submarine watch officers not paying attention is like a blind man not using his cain as he walks. It is a matter of time before something bad happens.


39 posted on 11/18/2009 1:42:13 PM PST by Loud Mime (The time to water the tree of liberty approaches...)
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To: TXnMA

http://www.boats.com/boat-details/Walker-Bay-Original-8/840490


40 posted on 11/18/2009 3:14:35 PM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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