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Objectively, Ayn Rand Was a Nut
National Review Online - The Corner ^ | 13 Nov 2009 | Peter Wehner

Posted on 11/13/2009 12:51:44 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

According to Politico.com, Ayn Rand — the subject of two new biographies, one of which is titled Goddess of the Market: Ayn Rand and the American Right — is “having a mainstream moment,” including among conservatives. (Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina wrote a piece in Newsweek on Rand, saying, “This is a very good time for a Rand resurgence. She’s more relevant than ever.”).

I hope the moment passes. Ms. Rand may have been a popular novelist, but her philosophy is deeply problematic and morally indefensible.....

(Excerpt) Read more at corner.nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: atlasshrugged; aynrand; libertarians; objectivism; rand
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Peter Wehner

Peter rhymes with Wehner. His parents named him aptly.

Now I am not a libertarian, but Ayn was a conservative who was IMO was right on with the notion of disallowing compassion to be brought into politics.

21 posted on 11/13/2009 1:03:20 PM PST by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Sopater

By band Anthem spent three weeks learning the live version. I became a much better drummer because of Neil Peart. Before that it was Cheap Trick and Cars. My Slingerlands are a copy of the set he used on Farewell To Kings, complete with Brass hardware. They go KA and Boom.


22 posted on 11/13/2009 1:04:53 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: griswold3
Or the recurrent Greek theme: what is the role of the individual in society?

Contrast and compare those societies that uphold collectivist values and those that value the individual.

While I'm all for the individual, it's a historical untruth to characterise Greek society - even in the classical age - as anything even approximating the individualism that we're thinking of when we use the term.

23 posted on 11/13/2009 1:05:10 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (There are only two REAL conservatives in America - myself, and my chosen Presidential candidate)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Ms. Rand may have been a popular novelist, but her philosophy is deeply problematic and morally indefensible.....

That is seriously debateable.
It all depends on your underlying premises, most of which I reject.

The primary one is the notion that you may not steal from me, but it is a moral imperative for me to allow our government to steal from me on your behalf, with far superior weapons.

A corollary, of course, it that charity can be coerced. One must have a serious intellectual short circuit to even begin to use that as a rational argument.
Of course, presumably, we all agree that we are discussing a Free Society ruled by law and certain rights that NO ONE, even government, may encroach on...

Finally, I have no idea who the author of this piece is, but the "harpie" name-calling it induces in the clueless just points to intellectual poverty.

24 posted on 11/13/2009 1:05:24 PM PST by Publius6961 (Â…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I don’t give a rat’s rear end what her philosophy of life and love and work was. She was anti-statist, anti-communist, and pro-capitalist.


25 posted on 11/13/2009 1:07:15 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pgkdan
Indeed! I don't know how anyone can honestly say that they enjoyed reading Atlas Shrugged.

True. Nobody really enjoys reading Atlas Shrugged. It's just something you have to work through to find the occasional nuggets of good, surrounded by the dreck.

I would characterise reading Atlas Shrugged as being similar to rescuing your wife's diamond wedding ring that the dog ate. It takes a long time to get what you want, very little of the mass is actually valuable, and oh, what you have to wade through to get it....

26 posted on 11/13/2009 1:07:25 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (There are only two REAL conservatives in America - myself, and my chosen Presidential candidate)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
Recently NR Online republished Whittaker Chambers review of Atlas Shrugged.

Whitaker Chambers?

That may impress the ignorant, but I'm not quite ready for the mandatory prior lobotomy...

27 posted on 11/13/2009 1:08:20 PM PST by Publius6961 (Â…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: Publius6961
The primary one is the notion that you may not steal from me, but it is a moral imperative for me to allow our government to steal from me on your behalf, with far superior weapons.

This statement, in turn, is based upon the completely fallacious argument that disagreeing with Randian style "anti-statism" necessarily equals "supporting the government stealing from you." Sure. Try peddling that intellectual dreck to the Founding Fathers.

Try again.

28 posted on 11/13/2009 1:09:40 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (There are only two REAL conservatives in America - myself, and my chosen Presidential candidate)
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To: massgopguy

I would recommend that your read Fountain Head first and then read Atlas Shrugged second. This allows the reader to be doubly wowed by the power of the author.


29 posted on 11/13/2009 1:10:49 PM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Face it, the woman was bat-poo flinging crazy.

Depends on your grasp of the world. Remember, opinions are like ankles... everybody has one.

Wait...
Never mind.

30 posted on 11/13/2009 1:11:00 PM PST by Publius6961 (Â…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I agree. It's one thing to say that you will not live your life for other men (a cramped and selfish choice), but it's quite another to say that you will not ask other men to live their lives for you.

It just doesn't happen. Other men are the fuel that is burned in the engines those that won't live their lives for other men power their lives with.

they're still preferable to the sanctimonious liberals who profit by distributing the wealth of others and claiming the moral high ground for their thievery and extortion, though.

31 posted on 11/13/2009 1:11:46 PM PST by chesley ("Hate" -- You wouldn't understand; it's a leftist thing)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

Ayn Rand despised the National Review because it used religion as a base for morality. Ayn Rand believed that man’s nature was the basis of morality and that it an immoral trick to use the supernatural as a basis for morality.


32 posted on 11/13/2009 1:15:09 PM PST by Manta (Obama to issue executive order repealing laws of physics)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Oh great, another potential Theocrat chimes in with an opinion on something he's undoubtedly never read.

Try cracking "The Virtue Of Selfishness" sometime or any of the inestimable Ms. Rands non-fiction work. "Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal" is another good one. Feel free to move your lips as your fingers trace her words. Sometimes that helps, I hear.

Frigging pretention newbies with their stupid Roman names....

L

33 posted on 11/13/2009 1:15:40 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lets Be Frank
it bothered me that what very little mention there was of religion was in a mocking tone.

That's a straw man argument.

All moral and ethical arguments can be pursued without relying on the crutch of religion.
I believe absolutely that the use of religion, in any form, is just a device to confound the issue.

Yes, I believe in God, and I am religious, but can argue from other sources when clarity demands setting aside dogmatic metaphysical arguments.

34 posted on 11/13/2009 1:15:44 PM PST by Publius6961 (Â…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: sthguard
Simple: it allows them to claim a conservative ideology without admitting the possibility that God is real.

That's fine with me. I was a confirmed atheist when I discovered Ayn Rand during my college years in the late '60s. I discarded my atheism years ago, but I never forgot Rand's compelling and important lessons about the nature of the relationship between a government and its citizens.

She was the one who first got me to question liberal assumptions that I just more or less carried around like everyone else in my circles.

I stopped calling myself an objectivist in 1973, but I am eternally grateful to Ayn Rand for opening my eyes. I would never have come to conservative/libertarian politics without her.

35 posted on 11/13/2009 1:15:54 PM PST by Maceman
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

She absolutely yanked libertarianism hard to the left, towards accepting far more government control.


36 posted on 11/13/2009 1:16:02 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Talisker

And I don’t recall anything of value Peter Weener has ever written.


37 posted on 11/13/2009 1:16:21 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Actually, I think the reason Atlas Shrugged has become so popular is that you can read it while watching Glenn Beck and realize that what Rand wrote about in the 1950’s is happening right before our eyes. It is uncanny how closely today’s events parallel those in that novel.

On the other hand, when I talk about the book to someone who has not read it, I make sure to tell them to ignore everything she says about religion and relationships. She gets both wrong, especially religion and it’s emphasis in the founding documents of this (once) great country.


38 posted on 11/13/2009 1:19:54 PM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Indeed! I don’t know how anyone can honestly say that they enjoyed reading Atlas Shrugged.

I disagree, I loved reading Fountain Head and Atlas Shrugged. Anthem was a drudge. My wife, who hates to read, literally became immersed in both books and could not stop reading them. I think the real question is what books do you find readable? I found Rand to be as able a craftsman as Clavel, and like Kozinski and Conrad, she wrote in an adopted language, english not russian. Amazing. Each chapter was designed to impell the reader to begin the next. This is a writer as a craftsman. Couple that with her philosophy and you have a tour de force. You don’t have to agree with her philosophy to recognize her talents.


39 posted on 11/13/2009 1:22:02 PM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Read ATLAS SHRUGGED and come back and tell us again what you think. She accurately predicted the road the US is going down.


40 posted on 11/13/2009 1:22:13 PM PST by Aroostook25
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