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NY-23: Hoffman Campaign Looks at Overturning the Election
The Washington Independent ^ | 11/12/2009 | David Weigel

Posted on 11/12/2009 8:22:08 AM PST by GoldStandard

On election night, Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman conceded defeat to Democratic candidate Bill Owens after dramatically under-performing in key counties and deciding that he couldn’t overcome the gap. Today, the campaign is “looking very closely” at a recanvass of the district that has revealed, as recanvasses often do, screw-ups in the initial count. What was a 5,335-vote margin for Owens on election night is now a 3,026-vote margin, due largely to initial under-reporting of Hoffman votes in Oswego County and Jefferson County.

According to Mark Weiner’s report, the Hoffman campaign is leaving open the option of legal challenges if a recanvass goes Hoffman’s way. I talked to Hoffman’s spokesman Rob Ryan, who said the campaign is keeping its own count, and that lawyers have checked out the polling places that reported the bogus numbers. But he was bearish on the campaign’s chances of a post-facto upset.

“It’s not something I would place a bet on,” said Ryan. “Even if the margin had been 3,000 votes on election night, we would have conceded. We just might have done it later.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonindependent.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2009; doughoffman; hoffman; newyork; ny23
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1 posted on 11/12/2009 8:22:08 AM PST by GoldStandard
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To: GoldStandard

A day late & a dollar short, I am afraid.


2 posted on 11/12/2009 8:24:29 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: GoldStandard
due largely to initial under-reporting of Hoffman votes in Oswego County and Jefferson County.

Intentional underreporting? Are those blue counties?
3 posted on 11/12/2009 8:25:14 AM PST by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: GoldStandard

Typical democrat cheating. Mistakenly entered wrong numbers? Zero in some places? Come on, if anyone believes that, I have some pristine waterfront property to sell them.


4 posted on 11/12/2009 8:25:55 AM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: GoldStandard

Al Frankin comes to mind.


5 posted on 11/12/2009 8:26:52 AM PST by reefdiver (So how's that HOPE & CHANGE working out for ya ?)
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To: GoldStandard

The problem is we know when to quit and how to bow out, the left does not, this is something we may need to work on.

You cannot fight the barbarians by simply being civilized, they must be enguaged in battle.


6 posted on 11/12/2009 8:27:09 AM PST by GraceG
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To: GoldStandard

The lesson I draw is... “If you’re a conservative candidate, don’t concede on election night - wait for every last vote and certification”


7 posted on 11/12/2009 8:27:17 AM PST by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: GoldStandard
Rule to the conservatives and pubbies... Never concede till the last vote found and counted. If Frankenstein could do it then we can do it also. Soon we will learn out lesson that the “0s” out there will do the same thing.
8 posted on 11/12/2009 8:27:55 AM PST by primatreat (O"wee weed in his pants again. He no use fo HI'NI shots fo his Chilen. No Guinea pigs fo Whity)
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To: GoldStandard

He could do an Al Gore and unconcede :-)


9 posted on 11/12/2009 8:31:44 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: GoldStandard

How can Owens YES health care vote be counted if he wasn’t certified by the NY S.O.S.?


10 posted on 11/12/2009 8:32:58 AM PST by COUNTrecount (Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither)
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To: GoldStandard

It’s obvious Hoffman was Al-Franken-ated.


11 posted on 11/12/2009 8:33:36 AM PST by historyrepeatz
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To: wilco200

Seems unlikely that Hoffman could make up the deficit. But that’s why I thought he conceded election night. Did someone tell him there is no way you can win, even if most of the absentees go your way? That’s why I figured he thought it was safe to concede. Perhaps an adviser should have said not so fast? Or maybe because he was not backed by a major party structure there was no one to clue him in on the intricacies of vote counting.


12 posted on 11/12/2009 8:34:05 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: GoldStandard

From the article:

“Conklin said the state sent a letter to the House Clerk last week explaining that no winner had been determined in the 23rd District, and therefore the state had not certified the election. But the letter noted that Owens still led by about 3,000 votes, and that the special election was not contested — two factors that legally allowed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to swear in Owens on Friday.”

Sworn in legally. I guess this means that no matter who actually wins, the day of the health care vote will stand as is, as Owens was “legally” sworn in. Hoffman may be able to step into the seat, should the results turn in his favor, but, will this have any affect on the vote by Owens? I doubt it.

On another note, what clear thinking individual (this leaves out the left) is actually surprised by this turn of events?


13 posted on 11/12/2009 8:35:21 AM PST by mark3681
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There are 12,000 + votes to be counted. 3,000 vote swing is all it would take.


14 posted on 11/12/2009 8:35:58 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: primatreat

Also get rid of POS RINO/DIABLOs like Newt and Dede.


15 posted on 11/12/2009 8:36:08 AM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: GoldStandard

Further in this story, Hoffman’s people shared that they showed him winning a three person race.

It’s easy to conceive the other parties had similar info.
Scozza drops out, ending the three person race Hoffman needed.

Filthy, gutter politics, Chicago style.


16 posted on 11/12/2009 8:37:23 AM PST by Gunflint
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To: mark3681

Correction to my post 13. The quoted paragraph is from the article in NRO. Sorry.


17 posted on 11/12/2009 8:37:32 AM PST by mark3681
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To: bamahead

> due largely to initial under-reporting of Hoffman votes
> in Oswego County and Jefferson County.

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Imagine that.


18 posted on 11/12/2009 8:39:13 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: bamahead

“Oswego, into the wild, blue Yonkers”


19 posted on 11/12/2009 8:39:32 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Puppage

Probably, but I don’t want them conceding anything. Do the count.


20 posted on 11/12/2009 8:39:35 AM PST by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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