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Ft Hood massacre: Good order and discipline demands loyalty to our nation
911FamiliesForAmerica.org ^ | November 8, 2009 | Tim Sumner

Posted on 11/08/2009 2:01:08 PM PST by Sergeant Tim

Major Hassan's actions Friday clearly had something to do with him being a Muslim and to state otherwise is akin to a willful suspension of disbelief.

One day back when I was the Operations Sergeant for an Army Provost Marshal Office in Europe, the Provost Marshal (a Major) called me on the carpet for signing off on an investigation where I determined the charges were founded and agreed the facts indicated the named subject had committed the crime for which he was cited. The Major disagreed yet, by his words, revealed he had been unduly influenced into dropping the charges. When I stood by my decision, he said I was "being disloyal" to him. I replied, "My first loyalty is to the nation and while I owe my superiors loyalty, I owe an equal amount to our subordinates, the ones you, Sir, and I lead, including the Military Police who investigated the matter. The witness statements and investigator statements substantiate as reasonable the belief crimes took place and the subject committed said crimes." The Major then threw the case folder at me, striking me in the chest, and told me to have the Military JAG Office review the case; the JAG agreed with my assessment and the charges stood. Not long afterward, the Major relieved me of duty and placed an unfavorable evaluation in my record.

The details of what followed I will not reveal as it was the prelude to a sad and unfortunate end to that Major's Army career; a subsequent command investigation vindicated my actions and cleared my record. I write of this solely to illustrate a mindset each member of our military must have. Rarely during my twenty years of Army service did I encounter anyone without an unwavering sense of duty to nation or lacking in moral courage in the face of adversary. From all I see, admittedly from afar, that sense of duty and mindset remains strong among those who wear our nation's military uniforms. Yet that is what so disturbs me about reports of the behaviors of Major Nidal Malik Hasan prior to the massacre Friday on Fort Hood and the reaction from the current Army leadership:

General George Casey Jr., the Army chief of staff, said on Sunday that he was concerned that speculation about the religious beliefs of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, accused of killing 12 fellow soldiers and one civilian and wounding 30 others in a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, could “cause a backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers.”

With due respect to General Casey, the publicly known facts indicate what happened on Fort Hood was an attack by Major Nidal Malik Hasan driven by his acceptance of extremist tenants found within the Muslim faith. He expressed prejudicial beliefs, based upon those extremist views, to fellow soldiers prior to the incident indicating his disloyalty to the nation.

It is the duty of every soldier to report such behavior and, when reported, it becomes the responsibility of commanders to determine whether the behavior meets the standards of good order and discipline necessary for continued Army service.

Loyalty is first owed to our nation. Yet beyond that are thirteen dead and thirty-eight wounded and a military wondering if the command failed them. While a fair adjudication of Major Hasan's case is owed him, we owe all who serve the Army far better than to ignore indiscipline within the ranks, be it from a Muslim or one holding with any faith.

What our troops don't need now or ever is someone shoving four stars into their eyes while telling them to ignore such behaviors should they observe them in the future. I hope at least one soldier with less rank on their collar has the moral courage to step onto General Casey's carpet and say that to his face.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: casey; forthood; fthood; hasan; islam; military; muslims; nidalmalikhasan; obama; pc; pcshooter; terrorism; veterans
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To: Sergeant Tim

Not ‘something’ to do with being muslim.

EVERYTHING to do with being muslim.


21 posted on 11/08/2009 3:13:36 PM PST by Carley (THE MEDIA UNDERSTANDS CREDENTIALS BUT DOES NOT UNDERSTAND PRINCIPLES)
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To: Carley

Perhaps everything yet at least something that someone ignored; that has to stop.


22 posted on 11/08/2009 3:16:27 PM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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How is it that a muslim can be motivated by jihad with in their hearts and yet reject the notion that spirit can be within us? Their spirit is dark

Jihad or Grace? Hmmm... one is acceptance and one is turmoil. War Or Peace? I bet Hasan will twist in the wind

In fact they think the notion is blasphemous.

Islam is a false religion that cannot bare scrutiny.

I suspect this is why they feel rage.

Islam has never been a vetted religion

My 2 cents


23 posted on 11/08/2009 3:32:26 PM PST by mylife
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Ive never understood why these folks think Idea of Christ or the Holy Spirit is Polytheistic


24 posted on 11/08/2009 3:40:46 PM PST by mylife
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To: Sergeant Tim
Hasan was outgunned by a hero with a bigger pair (regardless of genitalia) than that murdering coward will ever grow.

And that is the truth. There was a woman that shot a murder in a church in Colorado Springs. She took down that coward also.

25 posted on 11/08/2009 3:51:36 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Sergeant Tim; EagleUSA
"driven by his acceptance of extremist tenants [sic] found within the Muslim faith"...

Since we are seeing this reference used and misused as discussions of Islamism increase, here is a handy "crib sheet":

If we're going to say it...
26 posted on 11/08/2009 4:55:06 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: TXnMA

LOL. See comment #7 above. ... Eyes gits youans.


27 posted on 11/08/2009 4:58:43 PM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Cicero; Sergeant Tim
LOL! With my failing eyesight, I keep web pages "blown up" enough that I can see only a few posts at a time. If I'd scrolled down more, I could have saved all of us some extra reading/writing... :-(

Tim, your "diction...tact" saying fits me pretty well, too -- mind if I use it on occasion?

28 posted on 11/08/2009 5:01:12 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: Sergeant Tim

What do you think made the Army refuse to discharge the man? His relatives says he wanted discharged. He owed them time for his education, but the red flags should have overridden payback time if it harmed those he was supposed to help with his counselling. He was radicalized and somebody ignored it, hoping it would go away.


29 posted on 11/08/2009 5:18:38 PM PST by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Just got back from dinner with family.

That wasn’t meant to be a criticism. Just thought you’d want to fix it before it gets passed around.


30 posted on 11/08/2009 7:24:17 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

I sincerely appreciated your pointing is out. I still have not figured out how to edit my posts of Free Republic yet I did make the correction to the post on our web site.


31 posted on 11/08/2009 7:49:21 PM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: TXnMA

Feel free...


32 posted on 11/08/2009 7:50:33 PM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Well said!


33 posted on 11/08/2009 10:35:02 PM PST by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: Sergeant Tim

You can edit in preview before posting but no editing after.
I have overlooked many typos in preview over the years, though and they are preserved here for posterity..I don’t mind others’ mistakes.


34 posted on 11/08/2009 10:38:59 PM PST by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: amom

Thank you!


35 posted on 11/08/2009 10:46:57 PM PST by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Casey is concerned for Muslims? It’s the Muslims doing the shooting!


36 posted on 11/09/2009 12:31:11 AM PST by ArcadeQuarters (Obama lies.)
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To: amom

BTTT


37 posted on 11/09/2009 3:00:26 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Sergeant Tim

bttt


38 posted on 11/09/2009 4:39:05 AM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet (The so-called Healthcare Bill is no more than legislated Grand Theft and Genocide.)
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To: Sergeant Tim
What our troops don't need now or ever is someone shoving four stars into their eyes while telling them to ignore such behaviors should they observe them in the future. I hope at least one soldier with less rank on their collar has the moral courage to step onto General Casey's carpet and say that to his face.

Well said!

39 posted on 11/10/2009 8:16:58 PM PST by SuziQ
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