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Health Care Bills Passes the US House (220-215)
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Posted on 11/07/2009 8:07:41 PM PST by jern

Just had the 218th vote, which is what they need to psas th ebill


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To: jern

All the more determined to fight the Left for the rest of my life. Never surrender!


701 posted on 11/08/2009 5:00:18 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: fulltlt
Polititians don’t care about marchs on D.C.

It's true that the politicians can ignore the marches themselves. As events the marches are more useful in attracting people to your cause by showing that a large number of people believe something and if you believe it, too, then you can join a large group to support what you believe in.

The fruits of the Tea Party Patriot marches aren't the marches, the fruits are the melting of the phone banks, the increased daily activism and the votes in the ballot boxes by an increasingly large and "extremist mob." ;0)

702 posted on 11/08/2009 5:01:08 AM PST by paulycy (Predatory Pricing = Public Option = Unethical Competition.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Sam Adams at the Old South Meeting House on Dec. 16, 1773 said, “This meeting can do nothing further to save the country.” The Sons of Liberty then took action.


703 posted on 11/08/2009 5:03:30 AM PST by fulltlt
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To: KevinDavis

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/11/08/us/politics/AP-US-House-RollCall-Health-Care.html


704 posted on 11/08/2009 5:06:33 AM PST by pleikumud
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To: nutmeg
Nutmeg, with all due respect, you don't get it. It was preordained which Democrats would "get" to vote against this---those in the absolute most electoral danger and in the reddest districts. The real negotiating only involved 5-10 votes, half of whom had to fall on their swords and will be AMPLY rewarded.

This wasn't close and never was. It was always only about figuring out who would be the sacrificial lambs and including enough crap language that the public wouldn't get "too" riled so that they can put it all back in during the conference.

I have to say, I admire the Dems in their strategy and discipline. I wish we could play hardball that way when we're in the majority. Now, I do congratulate Boehner and the rest---I think the GOP was near perfect (Cao the only defection, but still wouldn't have mattered) and did all they could do to stop this. But you can't lose elections. Elections have consequences.

705 posted on 11/08/2009 5:07:57 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: St. Louis Conservative
In the end, yeah, tonight sucks.....but we are several steps away from this coming to fruition.

So what, we should wait until it comes to step 3 away from fruition, step 2, step 1? Hell, why don't we just wait until it passes the Senate./sarc

You call those of us ready to fight fatalistic. I call you foolish.

706 posted on 11/08/2009 5:12:55 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: paulycy
"melting of the phone banks, the increased daily activism and the votes in the ballot boxes"

So we need to calmly and politley tell at the beast to, please - oh please stop taxing us to death?????

The only thing that will stop the beast at this point is for us to stop feeding it. Starve the beast.

707 posted on 11/08/2009 5:13:03 AM PST by fulltlt
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To: fulltlt
The only thing that will stop the beast at this point is for us to stop feeding it. Starve the beast.

You're right in that, too, of course. I didn't mean my post to be limiting except for violence.

This is a *real* war. Ultimately, God forbid, it could become a shooting war. But until the last moment I (and others, I think) will fight a real war of ideas until they come for us and we are forced to defend ourselves.

My point is that in a war you use the right tool for the right job. There's strategy and there's tactics. We need to use all the ethical tools of war at our disposal.

708 posted on 11/08/2009 5:17:09 AM PST by paulycy (Predatory Pricing = Public Option = Unethical Competition.)
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To: jern

1 Republican voted for this crap. Time to remove the idiot from the Party.


709 posted on 11/08/2009 5:17:29 AM PST by tobyhill (The Communist has arrived)
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To: All
Prediction: Obamacare dies in Senate.

Pelosi's very narrow victory is a hollow one. The House was always going to pass Obamacare. How could it realistically not? We just didn't have the names or the count. That it was close is significant.

The real fight was always going to be in the Senate. Reid cannot lose any votes in the Senate. And if he tries to go nuclear option, he will lose big. GOP can slow the Senate down to a crawl with procedural maneuvers that can last over a year. Many moderate Dems do not have the stomach for it.

I do not believe Reid has 60. November 3rd was a big defeat for Dems, and those in the Senate have more to lose as a result.

When people realize the reality of the vote, that Obamacare is no longer theory but will effect their lives, watch out. The outcry from the American people as a result of the House passage will be deafening. The Senate will hear it. The Town Hall meetings will be even more electric. Make bank on that.

No need to be defeatist or down because of last night. I am more energized now than ever to push back against the liberals. November 3rd and 7th is the beginning of the end of Dem power, starting in 2010 and 2012.

710 posted on 11/08/2009 5:18:21 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Hey newbie. Who the heck are you to tell one of us to go elsewhere. FU.


711 posted on 11/08/2009 5:18:47 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: CincyRichieRich; St. Louis Conservative

You two are great examples of RINO’s.


712 posted on 11/08/2009 5:19:59 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Y’all are absolutely right. Hard to stomach, tho. Still.......we can’t waiver.


713 posted on 11/08/2009 5:25:08 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: CincyRichieRich
In the end, yeah, tonight sucks.....but we are several steps away from this coming to fruition.

Whew, I feel better now.

The government has no business regulating free speech with campaign finance reform laws anyway.

714 posted on 11/08/2009 5:27:21 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Cacique; PhiKapMom

Phikapmom, I respect your diligent work over the years regarding elections, however, I think you should read the post I pinged you from by Cacique. You can keep figthing the “good fight” but I think our system is too far gone and broken. Some of us prefer to fight the power.


715 posted on 11/08/2009 5:28:42 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: MamaLucci

General work strikes - methinks that a lot more people will be laid off if this gets passed in the Senate. In the meantime, most companies are in limbo as far as hiring goes because they are waiting for the jaugernaut production-destroying bills of cap & trade and health care reform to get voted on in the Senate.


716 posted on 11/08/2009 5:36:48 AM PST by 3catsanadog (If healthcare reform is passed, 41 years old will be the new 65 YO.)
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To: luvEastTenn
Is there NO buffer that the states have against tyrannical fed government? Can’t governors band together and refuse this dictatorial act?

Sure there is. A state can stand on the 10th Amendment to the Constitution and refuse to be subjugated by this tyrannical act. In fact, if this makes it through the Senate (which isn't certain), you can expect a rash of states to do just that, starting with the state of Texas.

Failing that, a small number of states could declare that they are seceding from the union, and that would put an immediate end to the federal government's abuse of power over all the states.

717 posted on 11/08/2009 5:47:49 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Is there anything a citizen can do legally to stop a bill like this since it is Un-Constitutional. Lawsuits, anything like that?


718 posted on 11/08/2009 5:50:48 AM PST by deep (http://www.americansagainstobama.com)
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To: jern; Jim Robinson

As I’ve been saying for many months, what are we going to do after they pass healthcare?


719 posted on 11/08/2009 5:52:03 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: gas_dr

Excellent analysis.

Thanks.


720 posted on 11/08/2009 5:53:37 AM PST by COUNTrecount (Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither)
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