I’m becoming increasingly convinced that this whole birther thing is just anarchism/nihilism masquerading as patriotism in order to destroy this country from within
Peddle your swill somewhere else Obama rumpswab.
Posted on 10/30/2009 3:00:46 PM PDT by Uncle Sham
Since it appears that the judicial branch is intent on abandoning it's duty to uphold the Constitution, perhaps it's time for the states themselves to individually pass legislation that will protect their citizens from the actions of anyone who illegally occupies the Oval office.
There is nothing to prevent a state from passing a law requiring that the President must file his PROOF of meeting eligibility requirements with the state and that such a filing is open to public challenge in court.
Such a law could stipulate that any legislation signed by a President who refuses or is unable to meet this requirement to file shall be declared null and void within the borders of the state. No orders affecting any of the states citizens from such a usurper would have legal standing within the borders of the state. In addition, the act could command all legislators at the national level to institute whatever legal mechanism is required to challenge the standing of such a usurper.
It seems to me, any state-passed law that ENFORCES the Constitution would be judged as "Constitutional". Perhaps this can be done through a ballot initiative if the legislators refuse to look into it. We do not have to WAIT until the next Presidential election to handcuff a possible usurper. This can be done NOW and immediately protect a state's citizens from having to live with ILLEGALLY made legislation or orders.
If part of the statute requires a general waiver of privacy then the fear of the press should deter any candidate who does not have a clear claim to be a " Natural Born Citizen".
Either you believe that the Articles of the Constitution should be enforced or you can forget the whole thing. As far as I'm concerned it means what it says and its articles should be enforced.
Do it! Do it now!
Ace, our court system is broken, judges making law out of thin air and selectively enforcing law or not.
Our electoral system is also broken with widespread voter fraud and corruption. It's getting worse every year.
Open your eyes, we're losing the country.
I was under the impression that this was part of the process of the Secretaries of State when they certified the elected officials. ???
Not true?
Aren’t candidates for the office of president supposed to supply their credentials when they submit their vitaes? Or, if they just sign a sworn statement to the effect that they are eligible and it turns out that they aren’t, then isn’t that voter fraud?
“If part of the statute requires a general waiver of privacy then the fear of the press should deter any candidate who does not have a clear claim to be a “ Natural Born Citizen”.”
Why? A challenge can be presented against a candidate today and could have been presented in 2008. What’s different?
“Either you believe that the Articles of the Constitution should be enforced or you can forget the whole thing. As far as I’m concerned it means what it says and its articles should be enforced.”
Do you think YOU have Art. III standing to enforce Art. II sec 1? If an Obama presents what Hawaii provides for a bc, what right do YOU have to challenge that? I submit that it is highly unlikely, unless you are let’s say a state secretary of state or perhaps a candidate for president, that you have any standing at all and any suit filed by you would be an attempt to unlawfully disrupt an election and cause chaos in America leaving us open to an assault by our enemies.
I suggest that instead of nonsense and perhaps sedition, we concentrate on finding and electing candidates who support a conservative line, however that might be defined.
“You know, ideas like yours, if they got any broad publicity, would loose more votes for us that Obama’s policies loose for the left. Face it, what you are proposing will shut down our electoral system. Is that what you want? That’s what it looks lik”
That’s Crazy Talk... So you think non-citizens should be able to tun for president and nobody check? If the federal government isn’t going to check, the only thing left is for the states to check.
“Ace, our court system is broken, judges making law out of thin air and selectively enforcing law or not.
Our electoral system is also broken with widespread voter fraud and corruption. It’s getting worse every year.
Open your eyes, we’re losing the country.”
No, our court system is NOT broken and we are not losing our country. The dismissal of the idiotic birther cases is proof positive of that. What was lost was an election, not the country! But even if the court system is broken, do you suggest that a nihilist/seditionist program of electoral disruption, a denial of the people’s right to vote because you might not like the result, is what is called for? That sounds more like the program of Chavez and his fellow travelers more than the Founders.
“That’s Crazy Talk... So you think non-citizens should be able to tun for president and nobody check? If the federal government isn’t going to check, the only thing left is for the states to check.”
It is huh? Understand this, Obama presented proof of natural born status sufficient to get on the ballot in all 50 states and the voting territories. What gives YOU any authority to question that? By the way, it is THE STATES, usually through their secretaries of state, which decide who is on their ballots for president.
“Peddle your swill somewhere else Obama rumpswab.”
Do you honestly think your birther nonsense will get votes for conservative candidates? You will lose votes! Like I said, I am increasingly convinced that the birther element in this country really is out to subvert the constitution and replace the system with a form of nihilism/anarchism in the interests of the enemies of this country. Having been frustrated in its attempts to foment mutiny in the ranks of the military in time of war, to the enormous advantage of our enemies, it now seeks to disrupt elections and engender chaos to the advantage of the very same foreign enemies.
“Understand this, Obama presented proof of natural born status sufficient to get on the ballot in all 50 states and the voting territories. “
More Crazy Talk. I suggest you do some research,
ACTUALLY, he didn’t present anything to the 50 states. And neither did congress...
There’s not a person I know that thinks Barry Soetoro is a Natural Born Citizen. Most think he’s an illegal alien. This issue has gone viral and is exposing your hero for the FRAUD THAT HE IS......The more he refuses to release ANY of his records, the bigger this issue gets.
Put down the glue bag and pull your head out of your puckered sphincter.
“More Crazy Talk. I suggest you do some research,”
How so and what research? Research into what the birther crowd is really after? I think the courts have exposed that just fine.
“ACTUALLY, he didn’t present anything to the 50 states. And neither did congress...”
Really? Was he asked? If not, maybe no one, I mean really no one, thought it was worth discussing. In any event, Obama would have produced lawful proof of his birth in Hawaii. The real question was whether or not McCain qualified. But the election of McCain wouldn’t have caused birthers to attempt to foment mutiny or chaos now would it!?
“Put down the glue bag and pull your head out of your puckered sphincter.”
Classy, well thought out response, EG. Did you learn your debating skills at the same outfit that joke Orly Taitz went to?
How does that explain the Nicaraguan who got on many state ballots? Hmmm??
“How does that explain the Nicaraguan who got on many state ballots?”
You mean Calero? My assumption is that the secretaries of state in the offending states didn’t do their job. They should be fired by the people of their states. I am assuming, by the way, that Calero never claimed to be a natural born citizen of the United States and did not produce a perfectly lawful birth certificate saying he was.
No Ace, I want a denial of the right to vote to people who do not have the right to vote under our laws (illegal aliens and non citizens).
I do not want people to cast multiple votes in the same election.
I do not want dead people to cast votes.
I do not want criminal organizations to cast multiple votes for people who do not exist.
I do not want convicted felons to cast votes.
I do not want people to cast votes for a carton of cigarettes or a twenty dollar bill.
Any of that you don't understand, Ace?
What's different is that under a carefully crafted statute the onus would be on the candidate to produce to the Secretary of State proof positive, using original documentation, that he/she is a natural born citizen and in addition there would be a general waiver of privacy to enable those who would enquire and verify to do so. Should they discover evidence that the candidate is not who he/she says they are and produce it to the secretay of State it would enable the Secretary to refrain from placing that persons name on the ballot.
Do you think YOU have Art. III standing to enforce Art. II sec 1?
I might not have standing but a statutorialy empowered Secretary of State within a state certainly would. The Supreme court has consistently held that each state is responsible for the conduct of its elections.
Any suit filed by you would be an attempt to unlawfully disrupt an election and cause chaos in America leaving us open to an assault by our enemies. I suggest that instead of nonsense and perhaps sedition,
You seem very melodramatic and overwrought by this proposal so let me ask you a question. Suppose, arguendo, that someone produced dispositive evidence that the present incumbent of the White House was born in a country other than the United States in circumstances that would render him ineligible to be President would you agree that he should not be President ?
“Any of that you don’t understand, Ace?”
My name’s not “Ace”, Frenchie.
And I understand all of what you wrote. Just what do you plan on doing about those problems; disrupt elections like this article proposes until you are satisfied about the bona fides of the voters or perhaps the result? Take the law into your own hands because you think “the court system is broken”? By what right or authority? If your local officials are allowing unlawful voting to occur, you should have those officials fired. If that’s going on, why haven’t you had your local officials fired?
What it looks like is you can't comprehend what you read. My proposal has NOTHING to do with elections. It has EVERYTHING to do with the election of a usurper. I'll explain this to you ONE more time. Do you know what a "usurper" is?
A "usurper" is someone who occupies an office he is not legally allowed to occupy. Thus, a "usurper" has already "won" an election, except it was won fraudulently. My proposed legislation would address protecting the citizens of a state from the actions of this illegal "usurper" by placing requirements of him that the U.S. Constitution already calls for at the federal level on the state level as well. If he's "legal", there should be no problem proving it to the states as they are simply ENFORCING the Constitution as it is currently written.
If he is illegal, the states would disallow him to affect anything legislatively upon their citizens. All of this is after an election is done. It strengthens the ENFORCEMENT of the Constitutional requirements for President and Vice President while reducing the chances that usurpation can occur. Pretty simple fix in my opinion.
As to your concerns about how this would be judicially treated, their job is to ENFORCE the LAW. If this is a state LAW, they must obey and enforce it. Period. Kinda neat, huh?
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