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The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only Indoctrination
Evolution News & Views ^
| October 27, 2009
| Anika Smith
Posted on 10/28/2009 7:34:50 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only Indoctrination
According to an international poll released by the British Council, the majority of Americans 60% support teaching alternatives to evolution in the science classroom. The percentage is the same for Britons, despite the fact that both countries have been inundated with pro-Darwin media coverage in this super-mega Darwin Year.
Of course, the British media reporting this are chagrined. Britain is the birthplace of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution, and the official-sounding British Council, the UK group behind the Darwin Now campaign that commissioned the Ipsos MORI poll, have spent precious resources educating the world about Darwin. Now some believe the poll shows that efforts by Darwinist organizations aren't working.
Head of the British Councils Darwin Now program Fern Elsdon-Baker said, Overall these results may reflect the need for a more sophisticated approach to teaching and communicating how science works as a process.
While Darwins apologists might try to explain the poll numbers as an example of ignorance influencing peoples beliefs, the numbers themselves suggest a different picture.
Across the board, most respondents from the ten countries polled thought that other perspectives on the origins of species such as intelligent design and creationism should be taught in science class*. When the poll is weighted to include only those respondents who have heard of Charles Darwin and know something about his theory of evolution, the percentage supporting alternate theories increases, from 60% to 66% in Britain and 60% to 64% in the U.S.
The correlation appears again when we consider which countries have more knowledge of Darwins theory. The highest numbers of those in support of alternative theories in the classroom correspond to the highest numbers of those familiar with Charles Darwin 60% in Britain, 65% in Mexico, 61% in China, 66% in Russia, and 60% in the U.S. It appears that the more people know about Darwins theory, the more they want to see alternatives in science class.
The basic truth is that most people want evolution to have to compete for its place of dominance in their schools. Interestingly, the U.S. was the only nation with significant knowledge of Darwin where respondents chose the option theories about the origins of species and development of life on earth should not be taught in science lessons at all. 14% chose that, compared with 3% in Britain.
*This takes both those who select "other perspectives" only and those who select "other perspectives" together with "evolutionary theories." It should be noted that Discovery Institute opposes efforts to mandate teaching alternative theories in the science classroom we'd rather have the whole picture of evolution, the scientific arguments both for and against the theory, presented instead.
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To: BlueDragon
141
posted on
10/29/2009 11:56:58 AM PDT
by
BlueDragon
(there is no such thing as a "true" compass, all are subject to bo th variation & deviation)
To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
142
posted on
10/29/2009 11:58:15 AM PDT
by
Ira_Louvin
(Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
To: Ira_Louvin
see #141 for working link.
143
posted on
10/29/2009 11:58:27 AM PDT
by
BlueDragon
(there is no such thing as a "true" compass, all are subject to bo th variation & deviation)
To: Ira_Louvin
Ping to 140. I mentioned you by name but couldnt remember your full name to send it directly to you. Sorry!
144
posted on
10/29/2009 11:58:44 AM PDT
by
christianhomeschoolmommaof3
(Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
To: Ira_Louvin
Ping to 140. I mentioned you by name but couldnt remember your full name to send it directly to you. Sorry!
145
posted on
10/29/2009 11:58:46 AM PDT
by
christianhomeschoolmommaof3
(Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
I am asking that you simply provide empirical evidence to support your assertions
146
posted on
10/29/2009 12:00:00 PM PDT
by
Ira_Louvin
(Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
To: Ira_Louvin
Answers to my questions please.
[Maybe you can do this all day but I’m about done here.]
To: Ira_Louvin
“Other peoples opinions presented in the form of quotes are not evidence against the theory of evolution. They are merely opinions, and all people have opinions, which turn out to be false. So lets stick to the facts.”
I gave you two links to scientific studies and published papers, not people’s opinion.
I disagree that the evidence we have of speciation, natural selection etc etc etc can be extrapolated back into the past to say that an animal can jump from being a reptile to being a mammal. You have no empirical evidence to prove that it can yet you continue to assert that speciation IS evolution. This is a case in point of how evolutionist USE these terms to bait and switch and confuse people who don’t know better. Speciation is not evolution!
148
posted on
10/29/2009 12:04:40 PM PDT
by
christianhomeschoolmommaof3
(Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
To: Ira_Louvin; All
That is nice that a newspaper article can count for empirical evidence but that my links to two scientific studies and published papers are people’s opinions in quotes (evolutionary scientist’s papers BTW). Just so the ground rules are known to all.
149
posted on
10/29/2009 12:07:27 PM PDT
by
christianhomeschoolmommaof3
(Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
To: BrandtMichaels
Oooh, oooh, oooh Rafterman can I please be added to your CreatioNuts ping list - pretty please!? / s At least Id be in good company...You got it.
Now a days I will usually only answer the evos who are respectful and show a genuine respect for truth and knowledge.
Whose truth? Yours? Without evidence, it is not truth... only supposition.
You 3 (above) may think the creation camp is full of retards...
Please provide a link to a post where I called anyone a 'retard'.
...you may say (frequently) that we are the ones who are insulting but that is utter hypocrisy.
Bullsh*t. For example:
Morons tend to think someone is trying to make a moron out of them if what they are saying sounds smart. After all, morons are very suspicious of anything that goes over their head.GodGunsGuts
...unless of course you are a Temple of Darwin fanatic, in which case you wouldnt pick up on it, because the crap would smell the same as your normal surroundings.
GodGunsGuts
It would appear that you are the latest FReeper to make the ultimate sacrifice to the Bearded Buddha of Naturalism. You know, it's not too late to reclaim your brain.
GodGunsGuts
I'll be happy to keep going, if you'd like.
150
posted on
10/29/2009 12:07:30 PM PDT
by
Rafterman
("If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting." -- Curtis LeMay)
To: Ira_Louvin; All
You keep making assertion and asking us to prove them not true.
When we make assertions you ask us to prove them. I did! With two published scientific papers and you said they were nothing more that opinions in quotes.
Why do you get to make assertion that we have to prove wrong but when we make assertions we have to prove them right.
Does anyone else see a problem with this?
151
posted on
10/29/2009 12:10:12 PM PDT
by
christianhomeschoolmommaof3
(Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
To: Ira_Louvin; BrandtMichaels
“I am asking that you simply provide empirical evidence to support your assertions”
“To: BrandtMichaels
What empirical evidence do you have to show otherwise?
133 posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:52:35 PM by Ira_Louvin”
And you are asking us to prove your assertions to be incorrect.
152
posted on
10/29/2009 12:11:55 PM PDT
by
christianhomeschoolmommaof3
(Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
To: Ira_Louvin; christianhomeschoolmommaof3; ClearCase_guy; BrandtMichaels; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; ...
From the Post-Gazette. Is that scientifically peer reviewed?
Nevertheless, from the article.....
“could be”, “apparently”, “We were very puzzled about how to interpret”, “suggests that”, “It could be”, “It could be”, “There’s no real way to know”, “This suggests”, “It could be”, “it appears”
And the best comment from the article..... “Paleontologists always used to search for the common ancestor of all mammals, Wyss said, but it has become obvious that there’s no way of proving what animal might be that ancestor. So now the tendency is to identify creatures such as Hadrocodium as close relatives, he said, and not worry about whether it is a direct ancestor.”
153
posted on
10/29/2009 12:13:23 PM PDT
by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
To: BlueDragon
It seems the reason Stalin was “displeased” with Muller was that Lysenko was in vogue and promising advances in agriculture. But Muller was able to rehabilitate himself and return to the Soviet Union for a time.
Everyone should read Muller's letter to Stalin with it's nutty plans.
Hello Ira! Can you hear me now?
154
posted on
10/29/2009 12:13:34 PM PDT
by
count-your-change
(You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
155
posted on
10/29/2009 12:15:02 PM PDT
by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
To: metmom; Ira_Louvin
LOL! I can see why the links to published paper are only considered opinion. I will have to find something with this level of scientific objectiveness next time!
156
posted on
10/29/2009 12:15:56 PM PDT
by
christianhomeschoolmommaof3
(Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
To: metmom; Ira_Louvin
LOL! I can see why the links to published paper are only considered opinion. I will have to find something with this level of scientific objectiveness next time!
157
posted on
10/29/2009 12:16:10 PM PDT
by
christianhomeschoolmommaof3
(Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
To: GodGunsGuts
I bet the “majority of Americans” have no clue what evolution is.
158
posted on
10/29/2009 12:17:18 PM PDT
by
ElectricStrawberry
(Didja know that Man walked with vegetarian T. rex within the last 4,351 years?)
To: ElectricStrawberry; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; valkyry1; Mr. Silverback; Gordon Greene; ...
I bet the majority of Americans have no clue what evolution is. Then it's kind of a massive fail on the part of the evos despite their monopoly on the public indoctrination centers which pass for schools these days.
159
posted on
10/29/2009 12:27:36 PM PDT
by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
To: metmom
If only they had more “resources” for education! So it's not rejection, it's ignorance and more effort is needed.
I wonder if Eugenie Scott would take the job of Minister of Education? Young Master Dawkins could write the curriculum.
160
posted on
10/29/2009 12:36:25 PM PDT
by
count-your-change
(You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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