The "Oathkeepers" Need to Be Put in Check - Now (They (Dems) Are Getting Nervous)

Associated Content ^ | October 20, 2009 | Jeff Musall

[BulletBobCo]

What is on appearances possibly just another right wing publicity stunt is actually something that law enforcement and military commanders need to notice and to put in check. The "Oathkeepers" are a group supposedly dedicated to keeping the "Oath" to protect the Constitution. Fact is, they already took that oath, This new thing is an attempt to rile up disdain for the Obama Administration, masquerading as concern for American freedom.

Who are the "Oathkeepers?" Groups of law enforcement and military personnel who swear a new oath of allegiance to ideals put forth by the group, not by consent of the governed or as proscribed by the Constitution these "patriots" claim to be defending. Need convincing that they aren't just paramilitary malcontents who happen to be wearing uniforms? Look at their website.

On www.oathkeepers.org they list ten "Orders we will not obey" which include some admirable ideals. That some of what they espouse is admirable isn't in question. Of course every soldier has the obligation to fight orders which, for example, might constitute a war crime. Where the problems lie are with the motivations and perceptions of their place.

Look around the Oathkeepers site more and some troubling things show themselves. They say "We are not advocating violence" yet that is exactly the subtext of what is on the site. References aren't made to some possible threat to the Constitution in the future, but to the sitting government and their Commander in Chief, President Barack Obama.

The Oathkeepers are nothing more than an anti-Obama paramilitary group. And what they are doing should be reprimanded by their chain of command. To pledge to willfully obey orders is in direct conflict with the Uniform Code of Military Justice, or UCMJ. Some of what they suggest sounds like conspiracy to commit sedition.

[3boysdad]

This “government” has become the enemy... it is both foriegn and domestic.

Take the media out first, then move quickly up the ladder.

[Texas Fossil]

Here is a piece he wrote in 2008, mentions his wife’s name in article (un-named author in article but last name of father mentioned).

He is a Secular Humanist>

http://www.secularhumanity.com/my-father-carl-musall/

—

So

He is also a non-believer.

[Noumenon]

“Its worse than they think. The oathkeepers won’t be alone.”

Roger that. More than these dirty Obamunist bastards know. Speed the Day that they get to find out.

[davetex]

Glad y’all got some rain up there. Our weather radio just gave us a flash flood watch. We could really use a good hard rain right now. Stay safe.

[snarkybob]

“The government can play real hardball and most of the fellow travelers in these groups, despite their big talk, literally wet their pants when when the Feds come knocking. Frankly, its funny to watch.”

I agree the government can play hardball. I expect a lot of IRS aduits to befall this group. Were I active miltary or law enforcement I would be a bit more stealthy. It’s not the 1700s, way too many ways the government can screw you.

[Noumenon]

I’m 59 in March, and I feel the same way. As P.J. O’Rourke once said, “Old age and experience beats youth and a bad haircut...”

And shooting an AQT of 236 beats spray ‘n pray.

[Ronin]

I imagine it will be a split. However, I think the Constitutionists will strongly outnumber the Obamaites in the military while the Obamaites will strongly outnumber Constitutionists in urban police forces.

The National Guard units are going to be a big question. If ordered federalized and directed to advance against the citizens of their own states, I imagine they will resist. What the Obamaites might try, however, is to deploy National Guard units from one state in other states, in the hope that they will not be so sympathetic to the local population.

The bottom line, frankly, is that I am convinced that Obama is determined to go for all the marbles. His goal is to make America into a one-party state, with himself as the leader in perpetuity.

He’s seen how it can be done. He will use the lessons the dictators have learned in Iran and Venezuela. There are lots of tricks. I am not going to underestimate him.

[CJacobs]

Seems to me that OathKeepers will have a little bit of difficulty getting active duty personnel to join an organization like this. Especially officers and others with secret or higher security clearances.

Even though an organization may have a mission statement to defend the constitution and to safeguard freedoms, the government may view the OathKeepers as an anti-government group.

This is a very fine line that I doubt active duty military would dare to cross.

Security Clearance Form SF 86:

http://www.opm.gov/Forms/pdf_fill/sf86.pdf

See page 17, Section 29 Association Record, Question B.

[buccaneer81]

I may be wrong, but the USSC would never uphold a sedition conviction these days.

[Dead Corpse]

Yep...

I just wish I could still find WSR primers... ;-)

[Dead Corpse]

The Oath has no expiration date on it. A number of us have noted this over the years...

[Zionist Conspirator]

conspiracy to commit sedition.

Those laws were pretty much discarded almost 100 years ago.

So, the libs have rediscovered sedition, eh? What's next from this bunch of ex-hippies--loyalty oaths?

[Zionist Conspirator]

Reminds me of Mitch Miller.

Who's alive and kicking at 98!

[Molon Labbie]

All it takes is Sheriffs and Chiefs of Police to tell the Feds that they will not allow them to run roughshod over the people. The Feds do not have enough personel to make an issue over it.

Oh they might threaten to withhold federal funding for projects in the affected areas but if the above tell them to get the hell out, they’ll have no choice.

Good, conscientious military officers who refuse to hurt, kill or imprison law abiding citizens will lead their men the right way.

[snarkybob]

“Good, conscientious military officers who refuse to hurt, kill or imprison law abiding citizens will lead their men the right way.”

I’m not sure how accurate the article at this link is, but it certainly gives one something to think about.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/21/latinos.military/index.html

I wonder how this effects the dynamic.

[snarkybob]

“Good, conscientious military officers who refuse to hurt, kill or imprison law abiding citizens will lead their men the right way.”

I’m not sure how accurate the article at this link is, but it certainly gives one something to think about.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/21/latinos.military/index.html

I wonder how this effects the dynamic.

[buccaneer81]

The original 20th century goatee...

[DirtyHarryY2K]

LMAO :0)

[The Comedian]

Somebody's little Stalinist Alinsky fantasy panties are in a twist.

Go Eff yourself, sweetie.

God bless oathkeepers.org

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks stockpirate.

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