Obama's Resolution to Stifle Free Speech on Islam

Front Page ^ | Oct. 16, 2009 | Deborah Weiss

[firebrand]

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Also problematic is the resolution’s attempt to make the restriction of free speech a human right. In fact, it is free speech that constitutes a human right and not its restriction. Ideologies, ideas and religions do not, and should not be afforded “human rights." They should be fair game for criticism, analysis, open debate and discussion. Religions and ideologies cannot be “defamed." Once ideologies are afforded protection from criticism, it is in direct contradiction to individual human rights.

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[GeronL]

That is the best snipping job I have seen. Thats the issue down to its core.

[firebrand]

The link is not working for me. Sorry if it's a bad link. Try this one or go to FrontPage and scroll down.

Thanks for your comment.

[ANGGAPO]

I guess that the Obama team is going to rewrite the First Amendment?

[ought-six]

“I guess that the Obama team is going to rewrite the First Amendment?”

Well, given that they hold the Constitution in utter contempt, is that surprising?

[gwilhelm56]

**I guess that the Obama team is going to rewrite the First Amendment?**

To be PC or not to be PC, that is the question...

free speech in this instance will get me ZOTTED so what do we do?

[Czar]

No, they will simply do what they have been doing from Day 1, simply ignore the Constitution.

[sand lake bar]

Of course, we will simply ignore this and take up arms against any who try to enforce it.

[RetiredArmy]

OStalin the commie dictator from Chicago can kiss my white, southern, patriot, retired US Army ass.

[gcraig]

Religions and ideologies cannot be “defamed."

If this is actually going to be reality then I want to see all artists and weird liberal bashing of Christianity prosecuted with equal vigor.Anyone making movies or any language critical of conservatism has to be attacked the same way. Any anti-semitism would have to be prosecuted the same way which means that we are going to try to apprehend the terrorists anyway so what the hell are we wasting time on this stupid insignificant irrelevant law anyay.

Obama administration needs to focus on what is important: 1) prosecute and win in afghanistan immediately 2) terminate iran nuclear ambition in collaboration with Israel and 3) immediately restructure the tax code to spur business growth and we will restore the greatness of America

You guys reckon that will be the case?</crickets>

[SweetCaroline]

OStalin the commie dictator from Chicago can kiss my white, southern, patriot, retired US Army ass.

Sir......................I'm belive your not the only service man that thinks that. I sure hope not.

Thank you for your service! God be with you.

[GeronL]

They put a gorilla on a cross and had an electrocuted Jesus, thats “art” dontcha know.

[SatinDoll]

“...rewrite the First Amendment...”

They really don’t have any other choice since Islam is, in its tenets, practice, and principles, totally in violation of our Constitution. Obama IS a Muslim as his behavior relentlessly has proven over the past ten months.

It isn’t even really a ‘religion’. Islam combines politics, culture, religion, and economics all together into one package - like Communism and all dangerous cults. Islam is so intolerant of factual criticism, people who voice their opposition to it are murdered.

There is no free will allowed in Islam therefore personal liberty is intolerable and submission is a requirment. Everything devolves to the will of Allah, and if it is the will of Allah that you are ruled by a tyrant, a dictator, or a King, then so be it.

There is no such thing as equal rights: only male Muslims have any rights. Women and children are considered property of the male head of household. That ‘head of household’ has the right to kill other members of the household for reasons of family ‘honor’.

As you can see this cult’s tenets are in violation of our Constitution. It should be outlawed and all followers deported - only exceptions are foreign diplomats.

I am not joking. They must be forced out now.

[seowulf]

First Amendment?

What First Amendment?

There is no First Amendment.

You must be insane!

Down the memory hole you go.

[Blood of Tyrants]

titled “Freedom of Opinion and Expression”

You can GUARANTEE that anything titled by a liberal is exactly opposite of what it says.

[firebrand]

ping

[nathanbedford]

Firebrand:

I have been warning against what was then a presumed tendency on the part of the Obama administration to circumvent the United States Constitution and circumscribe our liberties by resort to international treaty since before his inauguration. The earliest post I can find to that effect bears the date February 14, less than a month after he has taken office. Just three days ago on Saturday, I posted concerning UN Convention Against Corruption. I reproduce these posts here to demonstrate that this situation was predictable simply because Obama is a Manchurian Marxist and also to demonstrate just how wide reaching is this invasion of our Constitution. In addition to these potential assaults on our liberties which have only come up this weekend, there is another thread which warns of the Obama administration's resort to international auspices to censor the Internet. Here are the replies:

[posted Saturday]

Beginning before the election, I warned that Obama would resort to international treaties to deprive American citizens of their constitutional rights.

Like all of Obama's initiatives, the International Organized Crime Intelligence and Operations Center (or IOC-2), when considered alone and apart from the context of the whole of the Obama administration, can be plausibly justified. International crime is certainly growing and technology is certainly facilitating it.

So the new domestic IOC-2 Center has grandiose ambitions, "A first item of joint action should be a commitment to the full implementation of the UN Convention Against Corruption at the Conference of State Parties that will be held in Doha, Qatar, next month."

But don't worry, your rights will be not be decided in the grottoes of the UN because the, "UN Convention Against Corruption must include an effective review mechanism," which means, "this review process must be credible, transparent, and effective. " If there is one thing that the United Nations and the Obama administration have in common it is that neither is "credible [nor] transparent." Certainly the United Nations has never been effective and the Obama administration is hard-pressed to show any effective accomplishment as well. The Obama administration might be the most opaque administration in modern American history.

Considered out of the context of the United Nations and the Obama administration, an initiative against international organized crime might not be worrisome but considered in the context of the corruption, cronyism, deception, and Marxism of both the administration and the United Nations, the initiative is worse than worrisome, it is terrifying.

[Since posting for that reply, Freeper Tainan pointed out a provision that I had missed, the proposal contains language for, " Seizure and forfeiture of assets without a conviction"]

[February 14, 2008]

There are incentives for liberals to submit the sovereignty of United States to extra -national organizations.

First, and most important-at least up until now-as the shining city on the hill, America stands as the linchpin obstacle to the worldwide success of socialism. American sovereignty, American exceptionalism, American laissez-faire capitalism (such as it was), America's dedication to the rights of the individual, are all anathema to communism. Sweep away the idea of American sovereignty and the last stumbling block for the worldwide dominion of communism goes with it.

Second, international treaties and submission to international courts having to do with human rights and/or war crimes, as well as tribunals of arbitration over trade, are ways to modify the American Constitution without the bother of submitting Obama' s notions to the constitutional requirements for amendment. Look for Obama, that is if he cannot exploit the financial crisis fully enough, to try the back door for his schemes by way of treaties and executive agreements, some of which he might vouchsafe to make public.

Third, I believe that leftists are powermongers because it is not just the Constitution which they find repugnant but the first two commandments. As Ann Coulter asserted at the end of her book that, "they would be gods." In rebellion against God, liberals are compelled to play God. Megalomaniacs, they naturally seek the grandest platform for the out workings of their egos. There is no greater arena in which to play God and the whole world. Hence, the drive to one world government.

Generally, the article is correct that the Constitution makes treaties part of the supreme law of the land but the Supreme Court has held in a series of opinions that a treaty which abrogates certain fundamental rights-presumably those set forth in some (for example, perhaps not the Second Amendment) of the Bill of Rights cannot be abrogated by treaty. But this line of precedent is murky and offers plenty of running room for five justices of the Supreme Court to come to whatever conclusion they want. That means that our liberties are dependent upon the quixotic justice Kennedy and the health of four conservative justices, presuming the Democrat dominated Senate goes along with these treaties.

I think the shorthand guide to the administration's policy in this area is simply to ask, what would George Soros want?

[nutmeg]

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Also problematic is the resolution’s attempt to make the restriction of free speech a human right. In fact, it is free speech that constitutes a human right and not its restriction. Ideologies, ideas and religions do not, and should not be afforded “human rights." They should be fair game for criticism, analysis, open debate and discussion. Religions and ideologies cannot be “defamed." Once ideologies are afforded protection from criticism, it is in direct contradiction to individual human rights.

Thanks for the heads up on this one, firebrand.

Link to the entire article:

Obama’s Resolution to Stifle Free Speech on Islam – by Deborah Weiss

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[RetiredArmy]

Well, I can say that all, with the exception of ONE, of my retired Army friends are solid conservatives. Only recently did I find out, from him through an email when I sent him an email with OStalin info on it, that he and his wife were dimocrats. He started with all the crap about it was all lies about OStalin. I simply told him to go read his Dear Leader's OWN testimony of searching out Marxists, and commies in college. Plus, I told him to go read and listen to some of the Dear Leader's cronies in the Red House on the Hill that said they FOLLOWED THE TEACHING OF MAO!!!!! If that ain't commie, what is???? I am simply stunned that he and other Americans who served and lived through the cold war era, vote for dimocrats, who are the party of Marxism and Communism. The silly Soviets had it all wrong all those years. They simply had to WAIT for Amerikans to do it to themselves. America has a great history of self inflicted wounds. We do it too ourselves all the time, over and over and over again. We simply do not learn. All those decades of fighting communism around the world and now we VOTED COMMUNIST INTO OUR HIGHEST OFFICES IN THE LAND!!! Go figure.