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Excreted Tamiflu found in rivers: If birds hosting flu virus are exposed to the waterborne...
Science News ^ | September 30th, 2009 | Janet Raloff

Posted on 10/01/2009 1:01:09 AM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 10/01/2009 1:01:10 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; Global2010; Battle Axe; null and void; ...

Aint that just ducky?


2 posted on 10/01/2009 2:18:43 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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So why is the active form showing up? Is this drug unable to be metabolized? I thought essentially all pharmaceuticals were metabolized or the active form is bound in the body. What other drugs are we not metabolizing? Maybe that’s what we get for giving the drug out to people who are not using to fight the virus. Makes me question efficacy or diagnostic criteria.


3 posted on 10/01/2009 2:21:30 AM PDT by momincombatboots (The last experience of the sinner is the horrible enslavement of the freedom he desired. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: momincombatboots

I think it acts more like an anticatalyst. Tamiflu is a neuraminidase inhibitor (the ‘N’ in H1N1). It essentially prevents the virus from releasing itself after infecting a cell. The amounts actually used in the body will be minute for that reason. If it was more complex the body would metabolize it further I’d assume. Many prescription drugs are not fully metabolized and released into sewage or pass through filtering back into the water supply, birth control pills are a big one.


4 posted on 10/01/2009 3:05:39 AM PDT by allmost
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To: neverdem

Khadaffi was right. Here comes the fish flu...


5 posted on 10/01/2009 3:14:58 AM PDT by FDNYRHEROES (In just His first 3 days, the War on Terror became the War on Free Speech.)
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To: neverdem

Our ped wanted our sons to take Tamiflu last year. Besides the price (over $100 with insurance) we read how it can cause hallucinations in children. No sale.


6 posted on 10/01/2009 3:43:54 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: neverdem

A nanogram is a one billionth of a gram. Somehow I don’t think a few molecules of tamiflu per liter of water is going to do anything. Not unless a single bird can drink about 100 liters of water.


7 posted on 10/01/2009 4:22:00 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd: ON)
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Eggs Ackley! Our ability to now test for minute fractions of this or that leads to these wild stories.


8 posted on 10/01/2009 5:01:09 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: allmost

Thanks for clearing that up. I am more familiar with drugs of abuse in my field.


9 posted on 10/01/2009 5:31:55 AM PDT by momincombatboots (The last experience of the sinner is the horrible enslavement of the freedom he desired. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: neverdem

I wouldn’t expect any of this to be a problem.

Tamiflu isn’t a form of a virus. It’s merely a chemical that blocks the virus from infecting other cells.


10 posted on 10/01/2009 5:44:01 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Liberals have an inability to value good character or to desire it for themselves.)
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To: momincombatboots

I’d guess anything related to metabolites would, inherently, break down further along the chain. Certain mushrooms excluded. The more I read about what gets through our supposedly clean water the more beer I drink. :)


11 posted on 10/01/2009 5:50:00 AM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost

“Many prescription drugs are not fully metabolized and released into sewage or pass through filtering back into the water supply, birth control pills are a big one.”

Hence the heavy antibiotic smell you get in urine sometimes when you have to take them!


12 posted on 10/01/2009 7:37:31 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: allmost

“Many prescription drugs are not fully metabolized and released into sewage or pass through filtering back into the water supply, birth control pills are a big one.”

Hence the heavy antibiotic smell you get in urine sometimes when you have to take them!


13 posted on 10/01/2009 7:37:31 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: neverdem

Just one more thing I don’t intend to worry about.


14 posted on 10/01/2009 7:44:00 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Ahem..........!


15 posted on 10/01/2009 8:00:06 AM PDT by EggsAckley (There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply. W.C. Fields)
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To: allmost
Please don't drink too much beer. Soon there will be tests done on why birds fly into windows. They will find that these birds were FWI (Flying while intoxicated). The source will also be human urinary excretions.

Then we will be taxed for each time we flush because that will be the only way to "save" birds.

Seriously, I find that the environment is being messed up by Pharmacutical companies. If they stopped creating new useless drugs then our earth would be "greener". OTOH, have there been studies about how many vitamins are in our water?

16 posted on 10/01/2009 8:16:20 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: EggsAckley

Like finding a Crumb in a giant bakery!


17 posted on 10/01/2009 8:23:29 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
"Our ability to now test for minute fractions of this or that leads to these wild stories."

Indeed. This should be the least of our worries when our rivers, lakes and oceans are full of lethal levels of dihydrogen monoxide.

18 posted on 10/01/2009 8:28:25 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: momincombatboots
So why is the active form showing up? Is this drug unable to be metabolized? I thought essentially all pharmaceuticals were metabolized or the active form is bound in the body.

Some drugs are excreted unchanged. Their fate in the environment has usually been an afterthought.

19 posted on 10/01/2009 8:28:49 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: raybbr
it can cause hallucinations in children. No sale.

Killjoy...

20 posted on 10/01/2009 8:41:52 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 253 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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