Surely. Look at the pyramids.. awesome engineering.
You're just being difficult.
Is this dam natural or un-natural?
And I repeat.. quibbling over construction materials aside.
Why is a beaver dam natural and a human dam isn't?
A dam is a dam.
Posted on 09/26/2009 10:23:13 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
A landmark book about intelligent design has hit the bookstore shelves. I’ll tell you about it.
In recent years, there have been several important books about intelligent design that go to the debate about evolution and the origins of life. Bill Dembski’s The Design Inference was first. Then along came Darwin’s Black Box by Michael Behe, showing the irreducible complexity of the cell, which casts grave doubts on Darwinian evolution as an explanation for life and higher life forms.
Now we’ve got Signature in the Cell by the Discovery Institute’s Dr. Stephen Meyer.
I’m going to warn you up front: Signature in the Cell is not light reading. If you are not conversant in molecular biology, you might feel a bit overwhelmed at times.
But this is a profound, hugely important book for anybody interested in the scientific debate of our times—the origins of life. I feel it’s so important that we have posted an excerpt of the book at our website, BreakPoint.org, along with links to materials that will help you understand the main points of Signature in the Cell....
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No doubt animals are intelligent. (All life forms on Earth are equally 'intelligent'). No doubt they imagine a nice pool, then go about cutting down natural items like trees to use to make it.
However, they do not contemplate things like 'will cutting down the trees change the environment?'
Nor do they go mix limestone and gravel, and haul it to the river to make a better dam.
Dogs can’t write.
Interesting analogy.
But, where are the dogs who scientifically determined that lasagna to have assembled itself by trial and error over trillions of years, and who bristle at the very notion of Humble having had anything to do with lasagna at all?
Niether did we a few hundred years ago but the dam got built.
Qibbling over structural materials aside, a dam is a dam.
The point is man's works are his natural works, same as beavers or bees.
We just do it better and with more vision because we are further up the food (intellect) chain.
Yeah. GOD created a few, here and there.
Niether could early man.
Besides, these are allegorical dogs and they write quite well.
Dogs don't do science, either.
How did I know without looking this was posted by you:)
There are all kinds of limestone based architecture that have existed for more than a few hundred years.
Evolution: Take all the parts of a watch, place in a box, shake it up and you have a watch.
Intelligent Design: The watch parts are assembled inside the box to fit perfectly just as they are designed. A completed watch is discovered when the box is opened.
A bit simplistic but the point is there is so much in the universe and our own DNA that fits perfectly in a balance that cannot exist if one part is out of balance that random evolution is highly unlikely.
Add to the fact Christ's shroud has NEVER been duplicated by modern science, the evidence is actually quite overwhelming for God as our Intelligent designer.
But they are just as wrong as the ones who think I just conjoured up the lasagna out of thin air.
The point is that the evidence (geological, paleontological) and the scripture are not incompatible.
What God has told to us is that He made everything.
He did not include the recipe.
I knew you were gonna say that.
You are making an assumption that has not been proven.
Man has always been intelligent enough to 'scribe' as a way of recording or remembering events of his life.
Yes, but you are just being sarcastic, and using a hypothetical premise as a means of debate.
Dogs can't do that either. Nor bees, nor beavers.
Surely. Look at the pyramids.. awesome engineering.
You're just being difficult.
Is this dam natural or un-natural?
And I repeat.. quibbling over construction materials aside.
Why is a beaver dam natural and a human dam isn't?
A dam is a dam.
And that put's us back a square one, in the discussion about YEC'ers. They say that he wrote it in the Bible. First off, I don't think that it would be possible to 'write' the exact and detailed recipe, in one chapter, nor would it be understood by even modern man. (remember, we don't even understand gravity)
And you are missing the point on purpose.
God said he created the world.
He did not say how.
Do you think Him incapable of using evolution to do it?
And that puts us right back at my allegorical dogs, who
were not told about the method, just the result.
And I resent your declaring my allegorical dogs illiterate.
Uh-huh.
Why is a beaver dam natural and a human dam isn't?
They are both natural.
However, the beaver dam is made by randomly shoving cut logs down the river, hoping they will stay in place, until enough are piled there that they 'jam' together. (Many logs don't stay in place, and sometimes it doesn't work at all).
A human dam is not made randomly.
If GOD created THE UNIVERSE, he created evolution. It could not exist without the Universe.
He included the recipe for Adam. Adama ... the red clay of Israel.
He also included a timeline. Six days and a day of rest. OK, I’m well aware of potential, alternate meanings of “yom.” Take any one of them, though, a millenia even, and you still do not get hundreds of millions or even trillions of years.
A god that was and is all-powerful and existing outside of time, as is God in the Bible, did not need any span of time at all. Being hung up on time is a diversion as a result. But, He states quite clearly, six days.
And so, I accept that. Science and God will not ultimately be shown incompatible. The current mode of scientific thought on the matter is incompatible, though. The truth will out, and the truth is with God.
I won’t deny the scientific usefulness of certain discoveries arising from evolutionary science. I will, however, deny the accuracy of interpretations of data underlying that science. It’s more explicable to me, under the auspices of common design, and common design certainly does not negate the timeline handed down to us in truth.
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