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Agenda 21, Secular Humanism, and the Animalization of Americans
Conservative Underground ^ | 15-Sep-2009 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 09/18/2009 9:22:24 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

The murderous secular humanist religions of Communism and Nazism were spawned by the anti-God/utopian tradition of Revolutionary France. The Black Book of Communism, an 800- page compendium of the crimes of Communist regimes worldwide, graphically details the terror, torture, man-made famine, mass deportations, starvation, and massacres undertaken on behalf of revolutionary utopian ideals. The reality of Communism, which claimed to be an emissary of the Enlightenment, of universal brotherhood, and of happiness for all as envisioned by Gracchus Babeuf, turned out to be not only a sadistic engine for unimaginable evil but also the creator of hells on earth.

The book’s authors point to Communism’s “biological and zoological strain of thinking” as the engine of evil that proved itself to be a most effective means of denying the humanity of Communism’s millions of victims. “This strain of thinking,” explained Stephane Courtois, “is why so many of the crimes of Communism were crimes against humanity, and how Marxist-Leninist ideology managed to justify these crimes to its followers.” (The Black Book of Communism, p. 751)

Biocentrism: the Biological/Zoological Strain of Thinking

Biocentrism or ecocentrism, terms synonymous with today’s sustainable development/global warming crowd, is the “biological and zoological strain of thinking” in disguise. Biocentrism is antithetical to America ’s Judeo-Christian worldview in that it not only reduces man to a soulless ape, but makes his life less valuable than cockroaches, earthworms, spotted owls, trash fish, grizzlies, alligators, and wolves. Those who trace the genesis of ideas, such as Donald Worster, point to Charles Darwin as the most important spokesman for the biocentrism attitude. In short, Darwin ’s theory of evolution, the malignant heart of biocentrism, leads to contempt and even hatred towards humanity.

“Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs.” (Earth First! Journal editor, John Daily)

“To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the world population problem.” (Yale professor Lamont Cole)

Biocentrism and its morally-warped system of philosophy and morality thrive right here in America . Communism (multiculturalism/ Cultural Marxism) and its diabolical mother, Secular Humanism, plus its twisted sisters, Postmodernism and Cosmic Humanism (New Age global warming crowd) are now the predominant way of thinking in most of America’s power centers. At the heart of each of these systems beats the black heart of Darwinian biocentrism.

Dr. James Dobson notes, “The Secular Humanist system....has outstripped Judeo- Christian precepts in the universities.... judiciary.... federal bureaucracy, in business, medicine, law, psychology, sociology....arts, in many public schools, and to be sure, in the halls of Congress.” (Understanding the Times, David A. Noebel, p. 7)

Every day in our public schools, America’s children are “animalized” through the teaching of Darwinian evolutionary propaganda. Though some are able to resist this dehumanizing spiritual attack, many more are not. Of those who cannot, some will go on to join the ranks of anti-God, anti-America, anti-human revolutionaries, thereby becoming accomplices in the destruction of the nation that nourishes and protects them. Others will become practical atheists who, having no faith in God, will not fight for a nation founded on Judeo-Christian precepts. From a secular humanist point of view, these are desired outcomes because:

“The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States.” (Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund)

These things are occurring because for nearly two centuries Secular Humanists and revolutionary fellow travelers - having infiltrated and taken control of this nation’s education establishment - incrementally replaced our nation’s founding Judeo-Christian moral and philosophical worldview and history with a revolutionary catechism. The effect of this has been to not only undermine and delegitimize our nation’s traditional ideas and institutions but to also reverse and upend the natural order, all of which is leading to the destruction of our civilization.

“To destroy a people, you must first sever their roots.” (Alexander Solzhenitsyn)

Teaching to this nation’s future leaders, jurists, lawmakers, government workers, teachers, etc., the ideas and philosophies of men and women such as Comte, Marx, Malthus, de Sade, Rousseau, Reich, Freud, Darwin, Nietzsche, Lenin, Stalin, Heidegger, Adorno, Lukacs, Gramsci, Sanger, Marcuse, Dewey, Kinsey, Derrida, and Foucault, for example, has unleashed a devastating wave of corruption, debauchery, political correctness, chaos, pathologies, crime, narcissism, raw powergrabbing, and abandonment of allegiance towards these United States of America, all of which paves the way for the rise of a socialistic, sustainably developed New World Order.

An alternative power structure necessary for deconstructing our Constitutional Republic has been created. This “shadow government” of interlocking relationships and mutually reinforcing agendas consists of, for example, the New Left, the Democratic machine, environmental organizations such as The Nature Conservancy, Sierra Club, Audubon Society, and The Wildlife Federation; big money foundations, such as Heinz, Mott, Blue Moon, Turner, and the Rockefeller Brothers Fund; federal and state fish and wildlife departments, and of course, the United Nations. In hot pursuit of their North American Union project, the power and money hungry Transnational Right aids and abets the destructive process.

With the exception of the dissident voices of “intolerant, racist/haters” like Christians and other true Conservatives, the majority of Americans have passively acquiesced to being told that they are mindless, soulless apes. They also allow their children to be animalized and even told that as apes, they share a common heritage with earthworms. In light of this, the following question bears asking: Why should anyone, let alone the narcissists who are busily deconstructing our nation, respect and serve such a people?

If Antonio Gramsci were alive, he would be gratified by how well his plan for the slow and gradual destruction of America from the inside is working.

Agenda 21: The Utopian Fantasy

Agenda 21 was adopted at the 1992 UN Conference in Rio de Janeiro. This 300-page document contains 40 chapters loaded with recommendations to micro-manage virtually every facet of human existence. Agenda 21 is not a treaty but a “soft-law” policy document that does not require Senate ratification. Some of the key players involved in its production and adoption are Al Gore, Ted Turner, and Maurice Strong. President George H.W. Bush signed it and President Clinton issued Executive Order No. 12852, which created the President’s Council on Sustainable Development.

In his, “Sustainable Development: Transforming America,” Henry Lamb provides us with a vignette of the emerging utopia. Speaking only of America, he says:

“Half the land area of the entire country will be designated ‘wilderness areas’ where only wildlife managers and researchers will be allowed. These areas will be interconnected by ‘corridors of wilderness’ to allow migration of wildlife… Wolves will be as plentiful in Virginia and Pennsylvania as they are now in Idaho and Montana . Panthers and alligators will roam freely from the Everglades to the Okefenokee and beyond.... Transportation between sustainable communities (islands of human habitation)....will be primarily by light rail systems....highways that remain will be super transport corridors, such as the “Trans- Texas Corridor” now being designed....” (Ecologic Special Report, Dec. 1, 2005)

Property Acquisition Schemes

“The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If “Thou shalt not covet,” and “Thou shalt not steal,” were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society, before it can be civilized or made free.”(John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, Ed., Vol. VI, p.9)

The Wildlands Project, written by Dr. Reed Noss, who is under contract with The Nature Conservancy, is one such scheme. It has never been debated or voted on by elected officials. Nevertheless, it is being implemented through backdoor initiatives. Through its use thus far, 106.5 million acres have been acquired by being designated as wilderness since 1964.

Henry Lamb reports that not only is eminent domain a key “land-taking” strategy but:

“In the West, the Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management are driving ranchers off the land by reducing grazing allotments…people who have recreational cabins on federal land, are discovering that their permits are not being renewed. The Fish and Wildlife Service is forcing people off their land through designations of “wetlands,” and “critical habitat”....” (Lamb, op. cit.)

The biocentric Endangered Species Act makes use of spotted owls, plants, trash fish, alligators, grizzlies, wolves, and more to run people off their land. Within the space of one week in 2006, three young Florida women were attacked by so-called “managed” alligators. All three women died gruesome deaths. “Managed” wolves are likewise useful for terrorizing landowners, especially when said owners have been criminally deprived of the basic right of self defense.

An article entitled, “Wolf Management Program Actions Show Children are Expendable,” in the Wolfcrossing blog speaks of the outrage, despair, and sense of helplessness felt by landowners handcuffed by politically correct Department of Fish and Wildlife regulations that elevate the welfare of wolves over that of people, thus leaving them helpless in the face of marauding wolves.

Sister Flash writes, “Recently a little boy was encircled by Mexican wolves....the Luna pack circled him for more than five minutes.” One month later, wrote Sister Flash, the pack attacked a family dog as it followed its 8-year old owner (a girl) who was going to feed the family's horses. Thirty days later, “the (same) little girl’s beautiful black quarter horse (Six) was trapped in his corral and brutally slaughtered by the same wolves.... (More recently) a small dog named Maggie was attacked protecting her child’s play yard, right off the front porch....” (http://wolfcrossing.org/blog/? p=235)

Not only have the wolves not been removed, but the notorious alpha male - who had been relocated from Arizona to New Mexico for hanging around a schoolyard in Blue, AZ - has been declared “no longer a threat,” by the complicit New Mexico Department of Game and Fish.

“In the beginning, God created....” is the core presupposition on which Western civilization advanced for more than two millennia. Its highest expression is in our Declaration of Independence, where it serves as the ultimate source of our unalienable rights. This presupposition is condemned by most western policy makers and by the UN, all of whom prefer the biocentric view:

“Human happiness, and....fecundity, are not as important as a wild and healthy planet....until such time as homo sapiens should decide to rejoin nature, some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along.” (David Graber, research biologist with the National Park Service)

“....Christianity (has set) humans apart from nature (and) converted the world into a warehouse of commodities for human enjoyment.” (Global Biodiversity Assessment, p. 787)

In a chilling portent of things to come, M. Macnab, a respondent to the Wolfcrossing article, spoke to all Americans when she warned:

“We here in ‘wolf recovery territory’ know all to well what horrible encroachments on our rights can occur when state and federal officials violate their true purpose. Life without basic rights to protecting one’s family and property is not at all pleasant and this careless and lawless disregard for others welfare will, if not checked…become the standard for all.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
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To: tpanther

My response to metmom which you were to tpathetic to read or understand apparently.....

Notice the inability of metmom or anyone else to answer?

The construction you seem so enamored of is that if one accepts evolution that they are only “claiming” to be Christian and somehow also reject the notion of God’s miraculous involvement with the world.

Seeings as how Pope Benedict XVI said evolution was a “fact which enriches our understanding of life and being and such” do you think he too is only “claiming” to be a Christian or that he rejects Gods miracles?

It matters not at all that he is the Pope except to illustrate the absurdity of your argument. If another were selected and he said it as Karl Ratzinger, would you assume that “Karl” was only “claiming” to be a Christian, and would you think that he also rejected the virgin birth or the resurrection of Jesus the Christ?


681 posted on 09/24/2009 2:17:04 PM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: tpanther
"Notice the inability to answer?"

For a long time, I've noticed the unwillingness to answer.

682 posted on 09/24/2009 2:34:47 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: ColdWater

Do you agree that the Founding Fathers were generally Christians who founded America on Judeo-Christian traditions?

YES or NO.


683 posted on 09/24/2009 4:29:55 PM PDT by narses
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To: spirited irish; GodGunsGuts; allmendream; metmom; tpanther; Tailgunner Joe; Thunder90; SJackson
Spirited: 2. Adherence to some variant of evolutionary theory, for it conveniantly and automatically dehumanizes ‘others’ while allowing it’s resentment-charged adepts—the so-called highly evolved beings-—to imagine themselves as the neo-Brahmanic caste, godmen, supermen, ‘the enlightened ones,’ etc.

”Some variant of evolutionary theory,” indeed. As a Christian, I have no problem with scientific theories. They serve a vital function. As an outgrowth of the Judeo-Christian tradition, armed with the same rigorous tools of intellectual inquiry that fueled its philosophy and religious disciplines, the fact-finding philosophy of the Scientific Method has proved to be one of the happiest inspirations of Western Civilization. As a powerful liberating force, it ranks right up near “All men are created equal . . .”

Now, what I find more than passing strange is that, of all the laws and theories discovered and developed by Science, it is only the Theory of Evolution that has inspired so many eminent scientists to conclude that; 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent. And, remarkably, all this in blatant defiance of their own rules of scientific methodology.

Then, when Christians rise in protest against this flagrant violation of Science’s own cannons of comportment, we are assailed by frenzied extremists, who accuse us being everything but great humanitarians.

"3. By extension of the above, a lust for power fueled by hatred and an overwhelming sense of entitlement harnessed to a willingness to lie, cheat, steal, slander, murder, etc. to get it."

And why should they not, when they are told by their Darwinian Mullahs that human beings are nothing but a random collection of molecules, propelled by weak electrical charges, and are of no moral significance.

Thanks for the beep, Spirited. Good stuff.

684 posted on 09/24/2009 5:19:09 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: allmendream

metmom:

So, amd, please explain why the virgin birth and the resurrection are acceptable things to believe in in contradiction to science, but the creation account isn’t.

Thank you, ZC, for putting it so succinctly.

YHAOS:

The Hebrew people knew it back to a time incalculable by me. So, tell me allmendream, how was Mankind Created? The Universe (the heaven and the earth)? Or, even simply, water?


685 posted on 09/24/2009 10:17:10 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: tpanther
by the power of God, no question.

But what were the methods that God used?

Right now a star is forming somewhere due to gravity and nuclear fusion. God created that star just as much as he created ours. Just because physical means were used to create it doesn't mean that God wasn't involved. Discovering the means by which stars form doesn't remove God as their creator.

Right now a new species is branching off from an old. God created that new species just as much as he created our species. Just because physical means were used to create it doesn't mean that God wasn't involved. Discovering the means by which species form doesn't remove God as their creator.

686 posted on 09/24/2009 10:53:27 PM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

So, if God uses physical means to create...stars...

and...

“Discovering the means by which stars form doesn’t remove God as their creator.”

and...

“Right now a new species is branching off from an old. God created that new species just as much as he created our species. Just because physical means were used to create it doesn’t mean that God wasn’t involved. Discovering the means by which species form doesn’t remove God as their creator.”

then...

Explain to us again why it is so ever important in these scientific matters, to tell a child “God doesn’t belong in science” again?


687 posted on 09/24/2009 11:30:24 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: YHAOS

snip: Now, what I find more than passing strange is that, of all the laws and theories discovered and developed by Science, it is only the Theory of Evolution that has inspired so many eminent scientists to conclude that; 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent. And, remarkably, all this in blatant defiance of their own rules of scientific methodology.

Spirited: Some concepts are better understood when expressed in analogy and symbol. If your points (1-4) were to take the shape of Sauron’s One Ring, the ‘why’s and wherefore’s’ of choices made come into focus.

In fact, Dostoevsky summarized these last days as an ongoing clash between the Man-God (Jesus Christ) and the rebellious god-men—those who have been seduced—and yes, even possessed by-— the (satanic) power of the One Ring. In his summary of the cataclysmic evil that exploded in Russia, he compared it to Gethsemane. The pigs into which the demons went were the revolutionaries.

(Note: It’s in Tolkiens’ ‘Silmarilion’ that Sauron is identified as a second-level fallen angelic being named Melkor. Morgoth is Lucifer.)

I hope this helps.


688 posted on 09/25/2009 5:59:36 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: tpanther
Because God is not measurable and replicable and cannot fit within a scientific theory.

Science is real and replicable no matter what one believes or doesn't believe about God.

Moreover science is a universal endeavor, accessible to any and all no matter their beliefs, not a sectarian endeavor.

But to those of weak faith, something so powerful as science needs to either prop up their weak faith, or they want it to go away, or (like you and your tagline) they seek to diminish science and its use and applicability.

689 posted on 09/25/2009 7:04:13 AM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: tpanther
Also, if I were teaching in a private school (such as a Catholic school) where the children join willingly knowing that they will be exposed to Christian thought and prayers; I would start every class with a prayer.

But during class, it would be difficult to shoe horn God into concepts like the conservation of energy, or the universal gravitational attraction of mass other than as something of a nonsequeter.

Reading the writings of Issac Newton one sees that he must regularly point out that by proposing physical means to explain ‘celestial’ motion - he was not removing God from ‘the equation’. God is not and never could be a measurable factor within the equation.

Science is not a subset of God's creation, it is a methodology that is applicable to ALL of God's physical creation. Yet it can tell us nothing about the much more important and eternal realm of spirit that God has promised to those who confess in the name of our Lord Jesus the Christ.

690 posted on 09/25/2009 7:32:09 AM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: spirited irish
Sauron is not Melkor. Sauron was the “lord of werewolves” and a servant of Melkor (who Faenor named Morgoth or “foe of the world”).

Morgoth/Melkor could not be conqured by force of arms, and it was the vanity of the rebellious Noldor elves to think they could, Morgoth was only banished to a void beyond the world by the power of the Valar.

The lesson: Not by works is there salvation, but only by the grace of Jesus the Christ, our Lord.

691 posted on 09/25/2009 7:42:57 AM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

You need to read the Silmarilion, the truth is there.


692 posted on 09/25/2009 7:49:03 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish
Looking at my copy right here....

I am sure you can also find this online if you so wish.

From the index....

Sauron: ‘The Abhorred’; greatest of the servants of Melkor, in his origin a Maia of Aule.

Melkor: The Quenya name for the great rebellious Vala, the beginning of evil, in his origin the mightiest of the Ainur; afterwords named Morgoth, Bauglir, the Dark Lord, the Enemy, etc. ....... (after the rape of the Silmarils usually called Morgoth).

693 posted on 09/25/2009 7:57:55 AM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
Because God is not measurable and replicable and cannot fit within a scientific theory.

So what?

Neither does scientific study of prayer, string theory, multiverse theory...how many times do you need to see your strawman debunked?

Science is real and replicable no matter what one believes or doesn't believe about God.

Real like algore's hot air cult? Replicable like multiverse theory?

Moreover science is a universal endeavor, accessible to any and all no matter their beliefs, not a sectarian endeavor.

Surprise...more irrelevancy.

But to those of weak faith, something so powerful as science needs to either prop up their weak faith, or they want it to go away, or (like you and your tagline) they seek to diminish science and its use and applicability.

It's not weak faith to understand God is greater than science, or anything in His creation for that matter.

Any Christian would understand that.

What's weak is a cult that has to have lawsuits in order to stand on it's own two feet.

It doesn't diminish science by understanding it's place...and you put it way above God, way out of place.

694 posted on 09/25/2009 8:04:40 AM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: tpanther
So what? So God is not ‘within’ science, God is the originator of the physical world that the scientific methodology seeks to gain an understanding of. That is not a “so what?” that is the reason one cannot fit God “into the equation”. God is not measurable, nor can HE be compelled to act replicably.

You put your supposed understanding of scripture above God and the Universe HE created.

You refuse the evidence of God's physical universe in preference to worshiping your own supposed infallibility in interpretation of scripture.

695 posted on 09/25/2009 8:12:49 AM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: spirited irish
Spirited: Some concepts are better understood when expressed in analogy and symbol. If your points (1-4) were to take the shape of Sauron’s One Ring, the ‘why’s and wherefore’s’ of choices made come into focus.

Translation, please, for this tired old literalist. The points are not mine. They are the points (along with the fifth) of William B. Provine, to the wild acclaim of thousands of his fellow scientists (and budding scientists) and of the media.

I take it from your remarks that you view the “last days” (end times?) to be approaching?

696 posted on 09/25/2009 12:22:12 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: allmendream; GodGunsGuts; metmom
So what? So God is not ‘within’ science, God is the originator of the physical world that the scientific methodology seeks to gain an understanding of. That is not a “so what?” that is the reason one cannot fit God “into the equation”.

What a silly thing to say! OF COURSE God is "within" science! As intricately as imanginable! He permeates all of His creation! He's omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.

You can no more exclude Him from science or any component of His creation, than you can exclude derangement from liberalism!

Rational people see God within science all the time. From His handiwork to His design to His purpose. We may not understand it all the time, but when we do it's unmistakable. When we don't, there's obviously more for us to do.

It's not about some puzzle or some obscure hide and go seek game between God and science, and no one's trying to measure God via science, that's your ridiculous strawman. We rightly recognize science is His handiwork! If this idea is somehow offensive to you...oh well! No one gave you the keys or appointed you gatekeeper anyway.

I know you get hung up on your obsessions with people including God within science, and your run-away fantasies about automatic fire and brimstone sermons in biology if God is so much as mentioned in science class and so forth, but no one asserts that science can begin to understand Him or His creation, or that this is somehow the purpose of science. That's just more of your silly endless strawmen.

And quite frankly science has it's hands full with the likes of evolution, algore's hot air cult and various other liberal pseudo-science ideas anyway (like multiverse theory). Which aren't even about science as much as they are about liberal ideology; but the obvious energies people expend on determing the difference is exhausting, expensive and dangerous because liberals have no shame or scruples.

God is not measurable, nor can HE be compelled to act replicably.

No one asserted such and this measurable/replicable red herring was debunked too many times to count...just like "peer review". Multiverse theory isn't...study or prayer isn't...string theory isn't...but it's all "science" nonetheless...and there aren't any lawsuits I know of surrounding those ideas. But if you're going to keep demanding to be a hypocrite about "replicable and repeatable", be my guest!

And it occurs to me if God wanted to be "measurable" I'm sure He'd see to it, and even reveal that to us if He'd prefer. So just who are you anyway to presume so much with so little?

You put your supposed understanding of scripture above God and the Universe HE created.

If you run out if strawmen I guess it's time to project eh dreamer?

You refuse the evidence of God's physical universe in preference to worshiping your own supposed infallibility in interpretation of scripture.

You worship liberal materialism to the point of ignoring both the physical evidence all around you and scripture. You attack anyone's interpretation of scripture that threatens your myriad disconnections between Christianity and science. You misrepresent the Pope, you argue with failed strawmen and you're a walking talking projection.

697 posted on 09/25/2009 4:51:02 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: allmendream; GodGunsGuts; metmom
So what? So God is not ‘within’ science, God is the originator of the physical world that the scientific methodology seeks to gain an understanding of. That is not a “so what?” that is the reason one cannot fit God “into the equation”.

What a silly thing to say! OF COURSE God is "within" science! As intricately as imanginable! He permeates all of His creation! He's omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.

You can no more exclude Him from science or any component of His creation, than you can exclude derangement from liberalism!

Rational people see God within science all the time. From His handiwork to His design to His purpose. We may not understand it all the time, but when we do it's unmistakable. When we don't, there's obviously more for us to do.

It's not about some puzzle or some obscure hide and go seek game between God and science, and no one's trying to measure God via science, that's your ridiculous strawman. We rightly recognize science is His handiwork! If this idea is somehow offensive to you...oh well! No one gave you the keys or appointed you gatekeeper anyway.

I know you get hung up on your obsessions with people including God within science, and your run-away fantasies about automatic fire and brimstone sermons in biology if God is so much as mentioned in science class and so forth, but no one asserts that science can begin to understand Him or His creation, or that this is somehow the purpose of science. That's just more of your silly endless strawmen.

And quite frankly science has it's hands full with the likes of evolution, algore's hot air cult and various other liberal pseudo-science ideas anyway (like multiverse theory). Which aren't even about science as much as they are about liberal ideology; but the obvious energies people expend on determing the difference is exhausting, expensive and dangerous because liberals have no shame or scruples.

God is not measurable, nor can HE be compelled to act replicably.

No one asserted such and this measurable/replicable red herring was debunked too many times to count...just like "peer review". Multiverse theory isn't...study or prayer isn't...string theory isn't...but it's all "science" nonetheless...and there aren't any lawsuits I know of surrounding those ideas. But if you're going to keep demanding to be a hypocrite about "replicable and repeatable", be my guest!

And it occurs to me if God wanted to be "measurable" I'm sure He'd see to it, and even reveal that to us if He'd prefer. So just who are you anyway to presume so much with so little?

You put your supposed understanding of scripture above God and the Universe HE created.

If you run out if strawmen I guess it's time to project eh dreamer?

You refuse the evidence of God's physical universe in preference to worshiping your own supposed infallibility in interpretation of scripture.

You worship liberal materialism to the point of ignoring both the physical evidence all around you and scripture. You attack anyone's interpretation of scripture that threatens your myriad disconnections between Christianity and science. You misrepresent the Pope, you argue with failed strawmen and you're a walking talking projection.

698 posted on 09/25/2009 4:56:28 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: tpanther
“evolution is a fact which enriches our understanding of life and being and such” Pope Benedict XVI

NEA liberal strawman projection tpathetic.

699 posted on 09/25/2009 5:11:17 PM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
Can't we all just get along?
700 posted on 09/25/2009 9:24:24 PM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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