Posted on 09/14/2009 5:01:13 PM PDT by seanmerc
RUSH: And you enjoyed it for all the reasons that you've mentioned. But we've gotta be really, really careful here, Dana, about this left versus right government thing. You mentioned third party, and we've been through this with Perot.
CALLER: I know that. I know that. And I think Perot helped Clinton get in, I don't doubt that. I do believe there has to be a huge movement before people can vote that way.
RUSH: But a third party is not going to do anything other but ensure the reelection of Obama and every other Democrat running for office because even if you come up with a charismatic third-party presidential candidate, still isn't going to have anybody of any significance running in that party for seats in Congress of the US Senate unless this movement happened to become the majority movement in the country, and that's not what's happening. I respectfully disagree with you here. I understand the anger at the Republican Party. Hell, I've got it, too. I've had it for a long, long time. But don't make the mistake of thinking this is not a left versus right thing. This is a conservative ascendancy that's going on out there. You didn't show up and protest like this when the Republicans were in power.
(Excerpt) Read more at rushlimbaugh.com ...
CRAM IT RUSH, WE’RE WITH BECK NOW ...
No one who isn’t already in the fight against Obama now should even be considered for president.
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AMEN! And I have faith that SHE is up to it!
I'm with Beck but Rush is right.
A third party is viable but not for at least two election cycles, barring a citizen uprising that makes the current Tea Party movement seem like a local house party.
We have a serious problem now and losing the 2012 election may make it too late to later fix up the problems. We have to win in THIS election cycle, both 2010 and 2012 or we're toast. The marxists have too much power to let them entrench for the next 7 years.
I must admit that part of me wants what you say to be true but if I had to risk my only vote on that strategy (which I have to do, actually) I wouldn't bet on that approach working for 2012.
But I could be wrong and so could Rush.
“Rush is WRONG. It is time to DUMP the RNC.... It is time to start over.”
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No thanks.
Rush is Right. Been there, done that. Thank you Ross Perot for Bill Clinton for two terms.
The only option is to again re-form as in re-”shape” the GOP into a Conservative party.
That means identifying the Gramnesties, the Snowes, the McCains, et.al. remove them and elect Conservatives in their place. It begins in 2010 with the local elections.
You may not agree with each on this list, but this is a good start.
Top 10 Senate RINOs
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31018
Or here
http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/cs_20090228_4726.php
And here for House ratings
http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/cs_20090228_9659.php
http://www.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/methodology.htm
And look at list of people who left Senate or House and how they were replaced
http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/nj_20090226_1607.php
A 3rd party makes you feel good for a while and you can really teach ‘em a painful lesson (sarcasm off) as Obama slides in for a second term.
NO THANKS.
EOM
Thanks for making my point! This comment illustrates in a nutshell the difference between your apporoach and those who support the "we have to support the lesser of two evils" principle. The advocates of third parties chose to fight not "flee" and work toward the day when "unrealistic" alternatives become "realistic." They are in good company. Others who did the same were Frederick Douglass in the 1850s, the promoters of privatization in the 1970s, and dissenters who stayed in Russia fought the lonely fight against the Soviet Union in the early 1980s. They too rejected the "realistic" theory that their choices were limited to a limited set of evils. They made their own history rather than being victims of it.
If these two are the only options on the ballot, then you are relieved of duty and are free to flee to Mexico.
Thanks for making my point! This comment illustrates in a nutshell the difference between the apporoach of third party advocates and defenders of the "we have to support the lesser of two evils" principle. Third party advocates have decided not to "flee" but to work toward the day when "unrealistic" alternatives become "realistic."
They are in good company. Others who did the same were Frederick Douglass in the 1850s, the promoters of privatization in the 1970s, and dissenters who stayed in Russia fought the lonely fight against the Soviet Union in the early 1980s. They too rejected the "realistic" theory that their choices were limited to a limited set of evils. They made their own history rather than being victims of it.
At this very dangerous point in our nation’s history, there is only one solution to save our Republic: hold your nose and vote Republican.
It would be wonderful if overnite, the Reps. suddenly remembered their Conservative roots and returned wholly to Reagan principals...it ain’t gonna happen.
It is your right to vote for a third party, but you are only helping obama, Pelosi, Reid, Van Jones, ACORN, etc...
At this point, the argument reminds me of dealing with a 4 year old:
parent:”You can either have an apple or an orange for dessert”
child: “I want cake”
parent: “Your choice is apple or orange, not cake”
child: “I want cake”
Fact is, a vote for a third party hurts the country at this point and time in our country...
My experience was with the New York Conservative Party..I helped in the formation hoping to get results. The only results at the time was getting Jim Buckley elected to the Senate for one term. We also got a better position in the election booth going from line D to C,
The upshot of the breakaway after the original success was that the Conservative Party always backed the Republican candidates in future elections.
You cannot split the resources and be successful
I don't know about Armitage and Arastor but they are not libertarians. That WAS your point, wasn't it? Rockwell was a zealous promoter of issuing a letter of marque and reprisal from the beginning.
Boy, wouldn't they be surprised to hear that!
Okay....provide some evidence that Armitage and Arastor are libertarians.
parent:”You can either VOTE FOR HITLER OR STALIN”
child: “I want to VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE”
parent: “Your choice is VOTING FOR EITHER HITLER OR STALIN, NOT VOTING FOR SOMEONE ELSE”
The kid can vote for anyone he likes.
But he’s going get either HITLER or STALIN.
I’m totally for a 3rd party and will vote for a conservative 3rd party anyday. Remember, the primary will be over before a conservative state gets to vote, remember McAmnesty?
Hopefully, the conservatives will simply take the party back. That includes the Reagan Democrats. If there is a third party it will be the party of Astroturf and I don’t put it past the RINO’s and BH0 to try to create one.
Anyway, what I was trying to say is, that it is easier for libertarians to compromise on issues like abortion, I suspect partially because they may be conflicted on the morality of the issue, but prefer to have no government regulation, rather than governmental approval. For instance, I believe that a libertarian position on abortion would be laissez faire, but opposed to government funding of abortion. Is that correct?
How did Obama get elected?
The conservatives tried to “teach the GOP a lesson” and would not support or help the fight against the dems.
Sitting home or trying to make the GOP listen to you is worthless. Your only voice is your one vote - use it wisely to win rather than to give the democrats a win.
Notice how the dems work - do you see any of them looking for another party? Do you see them fighting among themselves? No, they are too busy moving socialism forward.
We need to move conservatism forward every place we can.
Rush may be right, but if the GOP pulls the same stunts as they did in 2008, there will be a 3rd party. The GOP best rid itself of its liberal baggage and get cracking.
Nobody is going to accept choosing the candidates like in the 2008 debacle.
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