Rush Limbaugh: "Beware, Folks: A Third Party Will Reelect Obama and the Democrats"

RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 14 Sep 09 | Rush Limbaugh

[seanmerc]

RUSH: And you enjoyed it for all the reasons that you've mentioned. But we've gotta be really, really careful here, Dana, about this left versus right government thing. You mentioned third party, and we've been through this with Perot.

CALLER: I know that. I know that. And I think Perot helped Clinton get in, I don't doubt that. I do believe there has to be a huge movement before people can vote that way.

RUSH: But a third party is not going to do anything other but ensure the reelection of Obama and every other Democrat running for office because even if you come up with a charismatic third-party presidential candidate, still isn't going to have anybody of any significance running in that party for seats in Congress of the US Senate unless this movement happened to become the majority movement in the country, and that's not what's happening. I respectfully disagree with you here. I understand the anger at the Republican Party. Hell, I've got it, too. I've had it for a long, long time. But don't make the mistake of thinking this is not a left versus right thing. This is a conservative ascendancy that's going on out there. You didn't show up and protest like this when the Republicans were in power.

[Chunga]

It’s sad to see Rush shilling for the RINO Party again.

No...what's sad is seeing an ignorant squeak of a college student trying to take a conservative giant to task.

It's so sad it's laughable. You're just an anti-Republican troll...and you suck at it, bubby.

[TAdams8591]

So well stated and boy do I sure agree.

As someone very involved in the Tea Party movement, I understand why we want to present ourselves as nonpartisan, basically to try to keep and win over fiscally conservative democrats to the movement, and to stop the left from claiming the Republican Party is getting us to the Tea Parties (they aren't).

But the Tea Party Movement means nothing if it doesn't tranlate to votes for fiscal conservatives who are almost all Republican. I can't see how that happens if we can't even admit it's a major disagreement between the left and the right! : )

[Teacher317]

The barbarians are at the gates, all men are needed at the walls. Now is when you are wanted.

I've heard that tired line every 2 years since 1980. Nice try, though.

The GOP may want me to fight in the trenches for them, but until they show they're going to fight as well, there's no point. I'll support individual candidates who demonstrate that they're for limited government, regardless of party affiliation. Period.

[TAdams8591]

Interestingly, the public seemed somewhat leery of Obama. Had McCain come out against TARP he would most likely have won.

Instead, McCain's handling of TARP was a major embarassement (a gift to Obama) and it was down hill from there.

[Brugmansian]

I think Rush is right, personally...

He is. I post on many forums which have leftists on them. There are always Democrats pushing a third party (not Green, not leftist parties but the Libertarian and Constitution Party).

In the last few months they've steeped it up. Now Democrats are pushing a Tea Party party.

Seen it in real life too. This is what the left does. It always tries to fragment the opposition. Any who believes that Soros and others won't be pumping money into the Libertarian, Constitution and other parties which oppose Obama is naive.

[Teacher317]

Stick to the Conservative principles that usually win elections. Check that 3rd party fringe stuff at the door.

Uhh, if the GOP doesn't uphold those principles, then I'm upholding them by searching for alternative candidates who do. It's incumbent upon the GOP to earn the votes. It's not our job to collect them for the RINO pigs at the trough.

[PhilDragoo]

But the Tea Party Movement means nothing if it doesn't translate to votes for fiscal conservatives who are almost all Republican. I can't see how that happens if we can't even admit it's a major disagreement between the left and the right! : )

I went to New York with YAF in 1964 to draft Barry Goldwater, a conservative endorsed by Ronald Reagan and despised by the great Republican Nelson Rockefeller.

We conservatives are now taking back our party from the John McCains who destroyed it.

We'll win in this, and win back the majorities in both houses and the White House as well.

The Republican Party was going to be Patton's vehicle until he died in December 1945.

We would do well to think Patton:

We're going to hold the effete leadership by the throat and kick them where their balls haven't been in decades.

912 and Joe Wilson smell like victory.

[TAdams8591]

Whether or not the media got our numbers correct on 9/12, our legisltors did. Let's hope it was enough to stop Obama and his policies.

And yes, even with all the third party talk, you're right. Republicans are going to win in 10 and 12. Thanks for the positive reminder. : )

I just hate that kind of talk. It's such a downer and so defeatist.

[Pajamajan]

"We fought hard to give the GOP all 3 houses, because they promised smaller government, borders, etc. We got virtually nothing."

Worth repeating. This thread should be sent to the GOP

Rush makes the point that the Republican party is being controlled by elitist country club blue bloods-But we're supposed to vote for a RINO? Is that what he's saying?

IMO if the Republican party continues to promote RINO'S, while sabotaging conservatives in upcoming elections- they will lose anyway.

Isn't one of the Alinsky's strategies to blur the differences between two sides of an issue- so that nothing is clear? RINO's play right into that don't they?

It's all fine and good to say "take the Republican party back"--How? Maybe it can't be done. Maybe those blue blood elitists have too much money and power?

Personally I think America is sick to death of both parties. They are corrupt and out for their own interests. Neither one appears to give a damn about the average American. Disagree? Then explain the quote at the top of this post?

Want tin foil theories? McCain was run to throw the election to Obama. McCain was upset with Palin because she almost succeeded in carrying his carcass into the winner's circle.

More Foil:

Why did Fox News cover the Tea Party Express all the way to D.C. then barely cover (downplay) the 1 or possibly 2 million people there 9/12? (C-SPan had the best coverage.)

The previous examples beg the question of just how entrenched the "special interests" are. Anybody want to talk trillion dollar bailouts for bankers done by both parties?

Maybe a third party is not such a bad idea? How about we just leave all the corruption and special interest BS behind, and start new?

Ronald Reagan was able to get democrats and independents to vote for him because he was "the real thing". He knew exactly what he believed in, and why. He was able to communicate those beliefs to the people- regardless of party affiliation. Reagan made sense. He made people think. He was charismatic, and articulate. He did not win-IMO because he was a republican.

(He did say third parties are a bad idea in general, but, would he say that today?)

IMO-conservatives should not rule out leaving, and forming a third party .

They need to take an honest, fearless, unflinching, look at the republican party, and ask if there is any place for conservatives in it?

Can a conservative win a primary in the republican party, as it is today? Or, will they always be defeated, and/or sabotaged by blue blood, elitist RINO's ?

If the answer to that question appears to be "No"- then they might have to leave. -In which case they must heed the warning of Reagan about third parties-i.e. becoming more divided and causing defeat for anyone with at least some of our values/ also handing victory to the radical left.

Whatever conservatives decide to do- they need to do it "all in" i.e. either every conservative leaves to form a new party, or every conservative stays to fight.

(1/2 way efforts won't work and will result in what Reagan predicted -further division, exc.)

Have to admit that at the moment, it seems more pleasing to envision a new party with clearly articulated ideas and charismatic articulate candidates (Palin, Wilson, Pence), winning upcoming elections, than it is to imagine having to deal with the boatloads of crap the RNC, and entrenched, RINO's are going to dish out in the coming months, in trying to serve themselves, and line their bank accounts.

( I'm just so very sick of them. I join other FReepers on this thread in saying they are going to have to earn my vote. I wonder if they have any idea of how much damage they've done to themselves in the last election by rigging it for the ultimate RINO McCain? Not voting RINO = another four years of radical king O? "So what!" I say. At least you RINO'S will be out on your a$$es suffering with the rest of us peasants. Have I given you a clue GOP?)

Whatever happens- I say my prayers for our nation every night. It's all in His hands- come what may.

[Vaquero]

I can remember when Pat Buchanan ran in several pubbie primaries. I always voted for Pat in the primaries, knowing all along that he probably wouldn’t be nominated, in the end though I always voted for whichever pubbie was nominated. I disagreed with Buchanan on several issues pretty deeply, but I still liked him.

exzctly the same with me...in 2000, it was anybody but Bush for me during the primary season and I too voted for Pat in the primary....but once the die was cast I HAD to vote for Bush....or be saddled with Algore for 4 or more years....the same reason I held my nose and pulled the lever for McCain....only that didnt go down as well.

[LibLieSlayer]

We will have to agree to disagree... I wouldn’t want to live in that world... and I do not.

LLS

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I am sorry, if you are ignorant about Maureen Reagan, Barry Goldwater, Jr., B-1 Bob Dornan, and John Schmitz (or at least the John Birch Society), you are too much a political newbie to be worth arguing with. I am not going to discuss calculus with someone who doesn’t know algebra.

[EBH]

Agreed, by the time the primaries made it to my state...the decision had already been made. I would not have voted for McCain, but my vote in the primary didn’t even matter.

[Mad Dawgg]

'Rush Limbaugh: "Beware, Folks: A Third Party Will Reelect Obama and the Democrats"'

Most likely. So the Rinos in charge of the GOP have a decision to make, do they step down now OR do the get thrown out after the Conservatives split off to another party.

The Ball is in your court RINOs.

[EBH]

bump

[EBH]

Actually we are on track to mitigate that problem, but it has to happen in 2010.

Right now, as we all realize, the Congress is doing the President’s bidding and not working for the people.

Come 2010 we have the opportunity to install people who are going to Washington to represent, We the People. The Tea Party folks get this idea. Their whole throw the bums out idea really ain’t so bad or so wrong, even if it only results in a 5% change in the Congressional body. Add that 5% onto the regular folks who are going to vote Republican in 2010 and we have the change we need.

The Throw the Bums Out movement is of benefit because it reminds the folks, the citizens, that we are indeed still a Republic. WE hold the responsibility for WHO sits in those DC offices.

I have often said it doesn’t really matter who sits in the office of President. All bad legislation can be stopped or mitigated in Congress. Right now though we have one party rule and a President abusing power. Again, if we take up the mantel of who we seat in Washington...we can stop all this nonsense.

[GreyMountainReagan]

". Anyone who has not made up their minds within 30 days of a candidate declaring should do the country a favor and not vote."

Amen. It always amazes me when there are so called "undecideds" right up until election day. Those people are just stupid.

I bet they just want to vote for the winner. They make up their mind in the polling booth. Disgusting, no matter who they end up voting for.

[roamer_1]

I am sorry, if you are ignorant about Maureen Reagan, Barry Goldwater, Jr., B-1 Bob Dornan, and John Schmitz (or at least the John Birch Society), you are too much a political newbie to be worth arguing with.

I am not particularly ignorant, just not fully vetted...

Maureen Reagan - Her feminism and position on choice are all I need to know about her - She is unpalatable to social conservatives and therefore doesn't qualify as a Reaganite, her patronage notwithstanding.

Barry Goldwater Jr - Didn't fall far from the old man, which does not endear him to SOCONS or DEFCONS either - A typical Goldwater vs. Reagan split which I am guessing exists due to his staunch campaigning for Ron Paul somewhat later... Note that I have quite a bit of respect for Goldwater civil libertarian types (to include RP), but as far as being able to call them 3-pillar Reagan Conservatives, it isn't there. There was scandal due to drinking or drugs which ended his political career AFAIR... whether that impacted this race or not is not something I can speculate on.

John Schmitz - Ultra Conservative to be sure, but obnoxiously outspoken, which got him in trouble with one of the big feminists, among others, and he ate alot of crow. Also fathered a child out of wedlock which is an immediate disqualifier... Again, dunno if these had an impact on the race or not. Can you say Mary Kay Laterneau? But that whole deal was certainly later than we are talking about here.

B-1 Bob is one of my favorite people, A dyed in the wool, rock-ribbed Conservative. But he is also a firebrand, and can be rather, ummm... blunt is a nice word... His record is immaculate, with a few stray hairs that you can expect from him.

Pete Wilson is what's left. Again, a liberal social stance would take him out of the running as a Conservative.

The only ones who I would consider to be a rock-ribbed Reaganite Conservatives are Dornan and Schmitz, but Schmitz was probably heavily damaged by then. My vote goes to Dornan.

Again, my thoughts here are not fully qualified. I did not have to vote for these guys, so my knowledge is peripheral - What I remember from the news, and my own favored folks (like Dornan, who I like anyway). Were they on my own plate, I would fully vet them and know every bit of their history and voting practices, and would be able to cite chapter and verse before I ever pulled the lever. If my observations are faulty, then that is why.

[Clemenza]

In the words of the late Patrick Swayze: Ditto. It would be one thing if we were a multi-party state based on coalition governments. A “third party” does nothing but dilute the vote of a bloc, causing the opposing bloc to gain power. See what the Bull Moose Party did to the GOP at the beginning of the last century.

[Bigg Red]

I think Rush is right, personally...

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I do on one level, but, given the fact that there are so many Repulicrats now, there are so many of us out here that are just sick of both parties. If the GOP does not swing back to the Right, I see a 3rd party forming.