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No kidding. It takes 2 million people to finally convince you of that?
1 posted on 09/12/2009 8:56:34 PM PDT by steve0
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unless they prove CITIZENSHIP

Does this apply to the White House physician?

2 posted on 09/12/2009 9:03:18 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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LL!
I guess, Nanzi "Botox" Pelosi, got some explaining to do.

4 posted on 09/12/2009 9:14:30 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Zer0 to the voter: "Welcome to 'MY' DeathCARE ® Plan"...Sucker! ...now just die. :^)
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It's sad. They have completely miss read a majority of Americans , have tripled down on this loser of a bill and have blown off interests abroad. 2010 better get here .
5 posted on 09/12/2009 9:14:54 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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"...as a practical matter, there is no way of verifying the citizenship of applicants..."

Oh really.
How about quizzing them on their citizenship in English as a small first step?

6 posted on 09/12/2009 9:17:16 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and cation.

these guys must think we're blind.
7 posted on 09/12/2009 9:18:44 PM PDT by stylin19a
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8 posted on 09/12/2009 9:19:42 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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I’m e-mailing this article to almost everyone in my e-mail address book.


10 posted on 09/12/2009 9:27:51 PM PDT by no dems (GOP Ticket for 2012: Sarah Palin and a Conservative Male with a Hispanic surname.)
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They are also admitting that the private insurance companies will start foing out of business. Read this:

Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold,

11 posted on 09/12/2009 9:28:17 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth. Socialism is the equal distribution of misery.)
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Hooray for Joe Wilson!

We are taking Washington D. C. back FOR the people!


12 posted on 09/12/2009 9:30:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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They may be illegal today but he will see to it that they get grandfathered in sooner rather than later...


14 posted on 09/12/2009 9:34:34 PM PDT by tubebender (Santa Claus is always jolly cause he knows where all the bad girls live...)
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Some points for libs to ponder (written to and for liberals).. - Real conservatives want illegals to get critical care. Then promptly be arrested and deported for breaking the law and a bill sent to the politicians who are hampering strict border control for which money will be pulled from their next earmark. Common sense and fairness rules apply. This is not their country and by their actions and injury, just stole money out of our system.

- Nothing changes. Illegals have always used this method (ER visits) to get medical treatment and they always will. They aren't going to buy anything and we all know it. Give me an option to buy a car at half-price if I give up my free company car? Yea, I'll get right on that.

- illegals account for around 10 million of the huge "uninsured" number liberals keep spouting off about. some will tell you the number is larger. Liberals tend to tell you it's only a couple million people. We all know that is a lie. Heck, there are THAT many in my city alone. Liberals are effectively trying to takeover the healthcare system in the name of helping a scant few million people. There are many other ways to cover this problem without forcing the other 98% of the population to suffer for it.

- this isn't about being fair and humane. We all want that. We do however, have a problem with our government forcefully pulling money from our pockets for any reason THEY determine is important enough. The American taxpayer owns you. We will decide what to spend our money on. Rush this one through at 4AM on a Tuesday night and there WILL be a rebellion. MOST of us do not want this pig. Let me repeat, WE don't want this porkulous mess nor the associated expense. Find another topic to champion on your own dime.

- any program costing 900 billion dollars cannot possibly ever "pay for itself" or be "budget neutral". only a fool believes that. Remember ... "the government" has no money. ALL wealth in our country originates from the consumer. Tax the rich and guess what, the CONSUMER (that's you Mr liberal) are the end game financer of ALL government spending. You don't have to like it, that's just the way it works.

- If obama and his democrats are opposed to providing healthcare for illegals, why did the democrats vote down (multiple times) an amendment to the bill to require verification of citizenship? You don't hear that being reported, do you? Its true. So they publicly state they oppose giving it to them (illegals), but refuse to prevent them from taking it without consequence. Start asking the question differently and you will see the lie exposed for what it really is. Ask "how are you going to stop them (illegals) from abusing the system". Expect a long pause before you get a twisted waffle instead of an answer. Turns out, "You LIE !" was an accurate statement.

- obama claims there will be no change in the rest of our programs if we choose to keep it. then he states the market will "gradually shrink". So he lied again. He knows full well private carriers cannot compete with a publicly funded program and will eventually fold, leaving us all with.. guess what? only one option... with rules being mandated by government controlled panels (yea, that evil word). You won't have a say in anything.

- Everyone wants to make healthcare an argument of humane and fair treatment regarding health. This is a great idea and it surely does touch us all when someone is suffering an illness and needs help. However, assuming the American taxpayer can be used as a pool of charity money to be taken by force is unacceptable. The planet is consumed with poor and starting people. What boundary would you draw ? I can make the same argument that we should be providing healthcare for the entire world. What would you think of that idea?

- Go ahead and implement public healthcare. We don't give a hoot. Just make sure there are no taxes increased ANYWHERE to pay for it and use voluntary donations and fees collected from it's supporters to fund it. Let's see how popular that movement is. We will all opt out, thank you.

- We are in deep trouble friends. Has anyone been watching the dollar collapse ? It's finally starting to happen at an accelerated pace. Your fine "progressive" administration has been printing American dollars at an alarming rate to feed it's hunger for money to support it's insane giveaway programs. Have you thought about this for a minute? Every dollar they print dilutes the value of the one in your pocket, the one you worked hard to earn. They are shifting the value away from you and into their own pools without even asking. They are ROBBING you and you don't even see it happening. Nobody voted on this. It wasn't open for public scrutiny and nobody is being held accountable. Can you all see ANY pattern here? How can anyone in their right mind support these policies and actions?

16 posted on 09/12/2009 9:38:02 PM PDT by FunkyZero ("It's not about duck hunting !")
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and Barry is going to set an example by proving his citizenship right?


17 posted on 09/12/2009 9:39:47 PM PDT by vigilante2
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Congressman Conrad (member of “Gang of 10”) was saying they were working on adding language to the bill that would require the use social security numbers to verify citizenship yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMW-2DNAGSc

Of course this is all in the wake of Wilson’s outburst.


22 posted on 09/12/2009 10:21:06 PM PDT by fours
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MSNBC's report on the White House's clarification on illegal immigration and illegals getting health care:

" Today, for the first time as far as we know, the administration is backing a provision that would require proof of citizenship before someone could enroll in a plan selected on the exchange. "


Ohhh the Irony indeed !!!
Obama ??? where is your " Proof of Citizenship " as the good judge will be asking you soon to provide in the court case going on.

Joe Wilson unknowingly with his belief in the American values, and convictions shouting " YOU LIE " of Obama's lie of not forcing the tax payers to pay for illegals health cost and could very well have unwittingly forced Obama to clarify what is a illegal alien with the very person who has to clarify this the one who's own citizen status is in question.

This is getting interesting to watch,
Do we have enough butter popcorn ?
23 posted on 09/13/2009 12:16:42 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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Everyone ?? !!!

SAVE THIS ARTICLE BEFORE IT GET'S SCRUBBED !!!!
24 posted on 09/13/2009 12:18:50 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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What we need to build outside/attached to ERooms are satelitte clinics to siphon off those NOT in need of ER treatments. Triage them & make them wait until they can be seen but leave the ER ready for true emergencies


27 posted on 09/13/2009 8:28:31 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (Have you girded your loins today??????)
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35 posted on 09/13/2009 5:21:23 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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