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Evolutionary Logic About Functions of the Appendix: Using Darwin to Disprove Darwin Proves Darwin
Evolution News & Views ^ | September 8, 2009 | Casey Luskin,

Posted on 09/08/2009 8:12:04 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Evolutionary Logic About Functions of the Appendix: Using Darwin to Disprove Darwin Proves Darwin

Almost two years ago, I blogged about how conclusive evidence of function had been discovered for the appendix. Now function has been discovered for the appendix. Again.

A recent news article on Yahoo.com actually frames the issue fairly well:

The body's appendix has long been thought of as nothing more than a worthless evolutionary artifact, good for nothing save a potentially lethal case of inflammation. Now researchers suggest the appendix is a lot more than a useless remnant. … In a way, the idea that the appendix is an organ whose time has passed has itself become a concept whose time is over.

"Maybe it's time to correct the textbooks," said researcher William Parker, an immunologist at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, N.C. "Many biology texts today still refer to the appendix as a 'vestigial organ.'"

(Charles Q. Choi, "The Appendix: Useful and in Fact Promising," LiveScience on Yahoo News (August 24, 2009).)

So what does the appendix do? According to the article, the appendix serves as “a vital safehouse where good bacteria could lie in wait until they were needed to repopulate the gut after a nasty case of diarrhea,” and “make[s], direct[s] and train[s] white blood cells.”

Incidentally, the appendix seems to pose other challenges for evolutionary arguments. As it is found in both marsupial and placental mammals, evolutionists are forced to believe that the same appendix evolved twice, independently, in a striking case of organ-level convergent evolution.

In any case, the story notes that Darwin was the one who advanced the now-rejected idea that the appendix is a useless organ:

No less than Charles Darwin first suggested that the appendix was a vestigial organ from an ancestor that ate leaves, theorizing that it was the evolutionary remains of a larger structure, called a cecum, which once was used by now-extinct predecessors for digesting food.
But following Eugenie Scott’s recent advice, the scientists quoted in the article are careful to not break the third commandment of Darwinism:
“We're not saying that Darwin's idea of evolution is wrong - that would be absurd, as we're using his ideas on evolution to do this work. It's just that Darwin simply didn't have the information we have now.”
Another story quotes the scientists similarly exonerating Darwin, stating:
“Darwin simply didn't have access to the information we have … If Darwin had been aware of the species that have an appendix attached to a large cecum, and if he had known about the widespread nature of the appendix, he probably would not have thought of the appendix as a vestige of evolution.”
Oh, I get it: Using Darwin’s ideas to disprove Darwin’s ideas proves Darwin was right. Makes perfect sense to me.


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1 posted on 09/08/2009 8:12:04 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

A lesson in evo “logic”...Ping!


2 posted on 09/08/2009 8:15:17 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

In the Scopes trial, there were either 162 or 167 human organs that were declared to be vestigial and evidence of evolution. The appendix, the human tailbone (or more appropriately the base of the spine), and others.

All have since been discovered to function.


3 posted on 09/08/2009 8:19:13 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: GodGunsGuts

What is there to learn from this?


4 posted on 09/08/2009 8:19:53 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: GodGunsGuts

It is why I keep the Seventh day Sabbath. The Sabbath is a memorial to creation by a loving God. It was made in Genesis long before any Jew was around. Jesus said he “made” the Sabbath for man.

If everyone had “remembered” to keep the Sabbath, there would be no Darwinism. But that is what they teach in school and of course most Christians today don’t keep it because they don’t study their Bibles.

The seventh day Sabbath. A rebuke to Darwin. A rebuke to man made Christian tradition and yes, it will be a very controverted end time issue as the world plunders into chaos and ruin with no hope and people run back to church.....by then....they won’t understand what is in the Bible because the run back to God out of fear....not love.


5 posted on 09/08/2009 8:20:41 AM PDT by JNRoberts
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To: GodGunsGuts

RE :”Using Darwin to Disprove Darwin Proves Darwin “

Standard creationism logic, ‘we trust Darwin to prove we distrust Darwin’. Hey, that gets ‘Darwin’ named twice. Like I said, this is the Darwin channel. All Darwin , all the time, 24-7.


6 posted on 09/08/2009 8:21:19 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: GodGunsGuts

LOL, fighting against a 19th century naturalist of Christian persuation when a 6th-7th Century “prophet” is the real enemy.


7 posted on 09/08/2009 8:24:20 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: sickoflibs

I cringed when I saw the headline. Sure the Scopes monkey trial was just a sham - who doesn’t know that? - but these threads just lead to really long posts from both sides disproving the other. And to prove my point, someone’s going to post (or repost) something with ten long paragraphs...


8 posted on 09/08/2009 8:25:01 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the world dances with you...)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ah the appendix, just like the penis. We do not know what its for, so we just leave it alone.


9 posted on 09/08/2009 8:25:40 AM PDT by Candor7
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To: GodGunsGuts

So, it’s like a hideout for the good guys waiting to ambush the bad guys. If that’s how it is, how do these cases of potentially lethal inflammation happen? And what statistics exist about the fate of people who’ve lost this wonderful organ to surgery?


10 posted on 09/08/2009 8:28:01 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Rebellion is not brewing. Frog is brewing.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
"how do these cases of potentially lethal inflammation happen?"

They used to go to Darwin Award Winners, before there was a Darwin.

11 posted on 09/08/2009 8:34:27 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: BertWheeler

Creationists are not serious about any of this. It’s all a kids got-ya game. That’s why it’s all about Darwin, all the time.

They look at it like an election, you dig up enough dirt on your opponent to win even if you have nothing to offer yourselves. Sadly democrats and republicans both play this game, and it’s the creationists got-ya game. Dont ever talk about creation, Oh no!


12 posted on 09/08/2009 8:40:48 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: DannyTN

It’s high time we retried that case!!!


13 posted on 09/08/2009 8:45:38 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: OldNavyVet
>What is there to learn from this?

Someday scientists
or theologians will learn
Peg served some function...

14 posted on 09/08/2009 8:49:41 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: OldNavyVet

That the Darwinists are wrong yet again, as per usual. And that according to evo-logic, whenever Temple of Darwin predictions fail (which is all the time), that is to be considered further evidence for evolution.


15 posted on 09/08/2009 8:50:05 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
So what does the appendix do? According to the article, the appendix serves as “a vital safehouse where good bacteria could lie in wait until they were needed to repopulate the gut after a nasty case of diarrhea,” and “make[s], direct[s] and train[s] white blood cells.”

So what happens to people who've had their appendix removed? Do they have a higher incidence of diarrhea or weaker immune systems since the appendix is no longer around?

And if the appendix was, in fact, designed by some intelligence, shouldn't that intelligence have designed it so that it wouldn't be prone to obstruction by feces and the like, thereby preventing most cases of appendicitis? It doesn't look like it would have taken much design effort to avoid this problem.
16 posted on 09/08/2009 8:52:25 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: GodGunsGuts

[[A lesson in evo “logic”...]]

Kinda like the Democrats ‘logic’- Van Jones comitts political suicide by his past actions, and htne turns around and villifies Republicans for exposing him- sadly, people like htis can only attack the messengers because these evos and democrats have no real ammo to fight with- the science and hte facts contradict their ideology


17 posted on 09/08/2009 8:54:27 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Paladin2

Darwin was no Christian. Evolution preaches a natural selection god, and Darwin is its prophet. Both prophets are the “real” enemy, and both prophets require the use of force to maintain their hold on power. May they both be brought down with a loud crash in our lifetimes!


18 posted on 09/08/2009 8:55:02 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Darwin was no Muzzie. You need to refocus your attention.


19 posted on 09/08/2009 8:57:02 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: GodGunsGuts
“A man’s pert but useless nipples are his real stamp of inutility. They have no job because of evolution. Many males leave at fertilization and do not hang around for birth. Their energies are invested in more sperm rather than the results of an earlier fling. There is no market for their milk. Because the female is already committed through an expensive pregnancy to her child, it does not pay her to abandon it in the hope of success with another. Selection has turned her into a milk machine. The male’s job, if any, is to protect his child as he keeps a weather eye open for whatever else might turn up. His nipples are just a reminder that he is of common stock with his partner.”

From “Darwin's Ghost,” by Steve Jones, pages 303-304

20 posted on 09/08/2009 9:00:58 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (Just as happened with Copernicus and Galileo, modern science is proving Darwin right .)
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