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Obama Regulation Czar Advocated Removing People’s Organs Without Explicit Consent
CNSNews.com ^ | September 04, 2009 | Matt Cover

Posted on 09/04/2009 4:15:09 AM PDT by Man50D

Cass Sunstein, President Barack Obama’s nominee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA), has advocated a policy under which the government would “presume” someone has consented to having his or her organs removed for transplantation into someone else when they die unless that person has explicitly indicated that his or her organs should not be taken.

Under such a policy, hospitals would harvest organs from people who never gave permission for this to be done.

Outlined in the 2008 book “Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness,” Sunstein and co-author Richard H. Thaler argued that the main reason that more people do not donate their organs is because they are required to choose donation.

Sunstein and Thaler pointed out that doctors often must ask the deceased’s family members whether or not their dead relative would have wanted to donate his organs. These family members usually err on the side of caution and refuse to donate their loved one’s organs.

“The major obstacle to increasing [organ] donations is the need to get the consent of surviving family members,” said Sunstein and Thaler.

This problem could be remedied if governments changed the laws for organ donation, they said. Currently, unless a patient has explicitly chosen to be an organ donor, either on his driver’s license or with a donor card, the doctors assume that the person did not want to donate and therefore do not harvest his organs. Thaler and Sunstein called this “explicit consent.”

They argued that this could be remedied if government turned the law around and assumed that, unless people explicitly choose not to, then they want to donate their organs – a doctrine they call “presumed consent.”

“Presumed consent preserves freedom of choice, but it is different from explicit consent because it shifts the default rule. Under this policy, all citizens would be presumed to be consenting donors, but they would have the opportunity to register their unwillingness to donate,” they explained.

The difference between explicit and presumed consent is that under presumed consent, many more people “choose” to be organ donors. Sunstein and Thaler noted that in a 2003 study only 42 percent of people actively chose to be organ donors, while only 18 percent actively opted out when their consent was presumed.

In cases where the deceased’s wishes are unclear, Sunstein and Thaler argued that a “presumed consent” system would make it easier for doctors to convince families to donate their loved one’s organs.

Citing a 2006 study, Thaler and Sunstein wrote: “The next of kin can be approached quite differently when the decedent’s silence is presumed to indicate a decision to donate rather than when it is presumed to indicate a decision not to donate. This shift may make it easier for the family to accept organ donation.”

The problem of the deceased’s family is only one issue, Sunstein and Thaler said, admitting that turning the idea of choice on its head will invariably run into major political problems, but these are problems they say the government can solve through a system of “mandated choice.”

“Another [problem] is that it is a hard sell politically,” wrote Sunstein and Thaler. “More than a few people object to the idea of ‘presuming’ anything when it comes to such a sensitive matter. For these reasons we think that the best choice architecture for organ donations is mandated choice.”

Mandated choice is a process where government forces you to make a decision – in this case, whether to opt out of being an organ donor to get something you need, such as a driver’s license.

“With mandated choice, renewal of your driver’s license would be accompanied by a requirement that you check a box stating your organ donation preferences,” the authors stated. “Your application would not be accepted unless you had checked one of the boxes.”

To ensure that people’s decisions align with the government policy of more organ donors, Sunstein and Thaler counseled that governments should follow the state of Illinois’ example and try to influence people by making organ donation seem popular.

“First, the state stresses the importance of the overall problem (97,000 people [in Illinois] on the waiting list and then brings the problem home, literally (4,700 in Illinois),” they wrote.

“Second, social norms are directly brought into play in a way that build on the power of social influences [peer pressure]: ‘87 percent of adults in Illinois feel that registering as an organ donor is the right thing to do’ and ’60 percent of adults in Illinois are registered,’” they added.

Sunstein and Thaler reminded policymakers that people will generally do what they think others are doing and what they believe others think is right. These presumptions, which almost everyone has, act as powerful factors as policymakers seek to design choices.

“Recall that people like to do what most people think is right to do; recall too that people like to do what most people actually do,” they wrote. “The state is enlisting existing norms in the direction of lifestyle choices.”

Thaler and Sunstein believed that this and other policies are necessary because people don’t really make the best decisions.

“The false assumption is that almost all people, almost all of the time, make choices that are in their best interest or at the very least are better than the choices that would be made [for them] by someone else,” they said.

This means that government “incentives and nudges” should replace “requirements and bans,” they argued.

Neither Sunstein nor Thaler currently are commenting on their book, a spokesman for the publisher, Penguin Group, told CNSNews.com.

In a question-and-answer section on the Amazon.com Web site, Thaler and Sunstein answered a few questions about their book.

When asked what the title “Nudge” means and why people need to be nudged, the authors stated: “By a nudge we mean anything that influences our choices. A school cafeteria might try to nudge kids toward good diets by putting the healthiest foods at front.

“We think that it's time for institutions, including government, to become much more user-friendly by enlisting the science of choice to make life easier for people and by gently nudging them in directions that will make their lives better,” they wrote.

“…The human brain is amazing, but it evolved for specific purposes, such as avoiding predators and finding food,” said Thaler and Sunstein. “Those purposes do not include choosing good credit card plans, reducing harmful pollution, avoiding fatty foods, and planning for a decade or so from now. Fortunately, a few nudges can help a lot. …”


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To: prisoner6

Thanks for the Friday morning chortled!


41 posted on 09/04/2009 5:05:57 AM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: Voter62vb

Is selling people’s organs Obama’s answer to pay down the debt?


42 posted on 09/04/2009 5:11:09 AM PDT by growingpains
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To: Man50D

Well Cass Sunstein, you and your boy 0bama can come get mine, of course YOU might become an organ donor in the process.


43 posted on 09/04/2009 5:14:10 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - No socialist Bureaucrat on a Death Panel is going to decide whether I live or die!)
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To: growingpains

I don’t know but selling gonads would make a vast difference!!!!

Vas deferins? no?


44 posted on 09/04/2009 5:14:21 AM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: Man50D

i just can not believe the stories i am hearing on a daily basis...who are all these people and where did they come from that obama is surrounding himself with to make and or suggest policy....i watching vidio last night of this van horn guy that is the green czar..??...he believes that the u.s. gov’t took down the towers...he believes that the white man is purposely polluting the black mans neighborhoods...stand up America and take back your gov’t before it is too late...we used to laugh at movies like soylent green and logans run and books like 1984...but they are all coming true right before our eyes...


45 posted on 09/04/2009 5:14:25 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: Man50D
Sunstein and those that swirl around or are part of the Obama administration, to include Obama himself, are depraved miscreants. They have fallen (mostly by their own act of will) away from any idea that a human being has intrinsic dignity and that life is sacred.

Once you deny life, it's easy to rationalize denying liberty, property, and anything else that is expedient.

46 posted on 09/04/2009 5:15:15 AM PDT by Crolis (Kill your television!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

There is no “I” in Obama...


47 posted on 09/04/2009 5:17:00 AM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: Man50D
“The major obstacle to increasing [organ] donations is the need to get the consent of surviving family members

Consent is definitely an annoying obstacle for statists.

48 posted on 09/04/2009 5:17:20 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: benewton

I’m afraid if I’m an organ donor, some hospital will let me die and harvest me rather than save my life.


49 posted on 09/04/2009 5:18:16 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: Huck

BINGO!

We have a winner!


50 posted on 09/04/2009 5:20:27 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jefferson was right about needing to periodically water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Man50D
... which will work every bit as well as the "opt-out" checkboxes for book "clubs" and spam and other intrusive junk.

Once the presumption that our persons -- not to mention our thoughts and time and energies and property -- by default belong to the almightly State takes root, it's all over.

Fortunately, we're not quite there. Not just yet.

51 posted on 09/04/2009 5:20:36 AM PDT by Tenniel2 (Memo to politicians: Don't worry about "shovel-ready." Worry about "pitchfork-ready.")
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To: Man50D

I’m a donor now, they can have it when I’m done with it if I can help someone.

However, if they do this and take the choice from me I will sign the “screw you unless you are family” line so fast their heads will spin. For me it’s enough that they want what I have earned for my family when I die inheritance wise, this goes too far.

I don’t drink, but if they ever tell me I can’t I will build a still before the sun sets. Same thing goes here, take the choice from me and will do it just for spite.


52 posted on 09/04/2009 5:21:23 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Man50D

China already does organ harvesting sometimes on people that are not done using their organs.
Maybe that’s why ozero was so impressed with China.


53 posted on 09/04/2009 5:21:44 AM PDT by Texas resident ( It's us against them. And we're on our own.)
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To: Man50D

Under obamacare, all medical records will be in the national medical database. They will already have you typed and cross matched, and will know if your organs are a match when one of “the chosen” is in need of a liver, lung, heart, etc.

Then you will have an unfortunate accident.


54 posted on 09/04/2009 5:23:28 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Man50D

Here is how to shorthand argue this so anybody understands it and most have had direct experience with this approach. It is pure and simple....this is the BOOK OF THE MONTH CLUB approach to government.

It sounds all “new” and “scientific” (please..the SCIENCE of choice?) and these guys think they are BRILLIANT and have discovered something.

But it is the oldest trick in the book of selling products. Who has not signed up for something FREE and then found themselves AUTOMATICALLY enrolled to a monthly obligation. And it is made very difficult to opt out.

And add to that the government’s ability to withhold money from you, tap into your bank account put a hold on your wages, a lien on your property, fine you, jail you, keep your social security if you do NOT make the RIGHT decision, which of course is their right to decide.

This is the reverse of the assumption of the Constitution where we are assumed to have rights UNLESS otherwise stated.

And this is why people are, and should be freaked out by the counseling every five years whether you want it or not. The counselors will “nudge” you to make the “right” decision - not for you, but for “society”.

Us to them: JUST STOP IT! How about we use this same idea? Let us ASSUME that the government has enough of or money already and assume that we ourselves earned it with the sweat of our brow and assume that we won’t pay taxes unless they specifically check little boxes and forms that WE have designed. And I don’t mean one form. No, they have to fill out the form I design, the one my neighbor designs, the one you design. Otherwise, we will assume that they should do the right thing and not steal from us. I think I may be warming to this idea.


55 posted on 09/04/2009 5:33:44 AM PDT by Anima Mundi
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To: Voter62vb

You are so right: There is only on “I” in Obama.


56 posted on 09/04/2009 5:49:13 AM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: Man50D
enlisting the science of choice

The science of choice. That's a new one.

57 posted on 09/04/2009 5:51:19 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Green will NEVER be the color of 9/11.)
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To: American Constitutionalist; benewton
Your seriously injured and taken to the hospital. The government appointed doctor in the emergency ward says that your not worth saving.

Or your doctor just doesn't like white males in general

You laying on the table and your unconscience, and they need to meet their monthly quotas.

Or like benewton you are diabetic, and are costing them too much money out of the regional budget.

58 posted on 09/04/2009 5:51:25 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Man50D

I thought this crowd didn’t believe in the profit motive.

IF an A- with a rare antibody and there was a Democrat needing a transplant, I would sure stay out of the hospital, you might find yourself running on empty.


59 posted on 09/04/2009 6:27:08 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We are an Oligarchy)
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To: Man50D

Of course, early harvests on conservatives would be like an abortion in the sick minds of the liberals.


60 posted on 09/04/2009 7:08:13 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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