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New law allows state to bill car owners for automatic donations (without permision donations)
KOMO News ^ | 9-3-09 | Sabra Gertsch

Posted on 09/03/2009 5:56:31 AM PDT by NavyCanDo

SEATTLE -- Washington state parks and Stan Johnson have something in common -- both are on financial life support.

"All my people are laid off, just trying to hang on to survive," Johnson said.

These days, every penny counts for Johnson, and no dollar goes unnoticed.

"$5 means a lot," said Johnson.

So Johnson grew suspicious when $5 disappeared from his bank account, then reappeared on his vehicle registration receipt. It stated he had donated the amount to state parks.

Johnson said no one asked whether he wanted to donate.

"You don't want to be tricked by your own state into donating something," he said.

And Johnson isn't the only one unwittingly donating his money to the state.

Under a new state law, registered car owners who renew their vehicle registration can be automatically charged for a $5 donation to state parks. The law went into effect on Sept. 1, but it didn't come without warning.

More than 4,000 notices were issued early August, prompting questions and protests.

Officials urge any drivers who do not wish to donate to state parks at the time of their vehicle registration renewal to do the math themselves prior to issuing their payment.

"If you don't wish to donate, you can just subtract $5 off of your bill when you send in your money.

(Excerpt) Read more at komonews.com ...


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My, God can Washington State get any more corrupt? This has to be against the law.

If they have a check box if you want to donate, that’s fine with me, but to automatically take it out without telling you, is as about as low as I can think of.

1 posted on 09/03/2009 5:56:32 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo; Libertina

WASHINGTON PING


2 posted on 09/03/2009 5:57:29 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo

Glad I left that leftist hellhole.

Shame, because it is a beautiful state.

But just like everywhere else. Parasites move in and destroy what is good.


3 posted on 09/03/2009 5:59:34 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Impeach President Bernanke.)
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To: NavyCanDo

And when people walk into banks with panties over their heads and with guns in their hands, they are merely asking for a donation from said banks. The banks are free to refuse.


4 posted on 09/03/2009 6:00:18 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: NavyCanDo

Donation!? — it’s a tax.


5 posted on 09/03/2009 6:00:42 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: NavyCanDo

I donate to Duke’s Clam Chowder Emporium every time I visit Seattle but that’s about it.


6 posted on 09/03/2009 6:02:42 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: NavyCanDo

The nice notes being sent in are from members of the National Endowment for the Arts.


7 posted on 09/03/2009 6:08:27 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

<Glad I left that leftist hellhole.
<Shame, because it is a beautiful state

Same here. I’d move back (but not to Seattle) in a heartbeat if the leftists didn’t ruin it for all the right thinking people in the rest of the state.


8 posted on 09/03/2009 6:09:44 AM PDT by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: NavyCanDo

Way back when, mail-order Albums were a big business, with BGW having a form that if you did not mail within a certain time frame, resulted in you ‘buying’ an album - whether you wanted it or not. The default status was that you were buying the album, unless you could prove you had opted out before some due date.

Federal laws were changed to protect the consumer from these types of business practices. Now Washington State has decided to subvert Federal Law - because the donation appears to be a default action. Why only $5, why not $50, 500 or 5,000? Because they believed that they could steal $5 from every citizen and get away with it.

It’s a shame that the person responsible cannot be charged with a Felony (# of licenses x $5) and go to jail, loose his home, his job, his retirement and possessions.

Do that a couple times, and this sort of ‘shake down’ will come to a stop, real soon.


9 posted on 09/03/2009 6:10:03 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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My, God can Washington State get any more corrupt?

Washington State is corrupt far beyond what you can even imagine.

10 posted on 09/03/2009 6:12:35 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: NavyCanDo
Oooooo! This is not good! What happens to someone who is just scraping by and has paid all his bills and knows when he pays his registration fees that he only will have $4.00 left in his checking acount untill the next payday!

Wham!

The State hits him up for $5 and the bank hits him up for $30-35 over draft fees!

Ouch!


11 posted on 09/03/2009 6:21:18 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: NavyCanDo

Washington car licenses were once loaded with fees and taxes, driving the yearly cost to be one of the highest in the Nation. The people, angry as Hell, got together and gathered enough signatures to fight it. We passed a $30 car license with no added taxes not approved by voters. But that was taken to court by Olympia who fought to keep the taxes, and in time they lost and the people won. But since then Olympia has in ways that skirt the law, imposed hidden taxes, like this one. They can get away from it by calling it a “donation”.


12 posted on 09/03/2009 6:21:28 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Hodar

At least those mail-order deals made it clear up front what the terms were.

Gov’t just taking money without notification is very different - kinda like buying an album with a credit card, then discovering an additional purchase on your monthly statement with a footnote “if you’d like to listen to the other album we bought for you with your money, go to your local public library and borrow it there.”


13 posted on 09/03/2009 6:31:24 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (flag@whitehouse.gov may bounce messages but copies may be kept. Informants are still solicited.)
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....but to automatically take it out without telling you, is as about as low as I can think of.

..a few years ago, Hudson County,NJ, lost 60,000 birth certificates...STOLEN (one was mine) and didn't notify any of those who it would effect. Then they introduced in the state mandatory photo auto licenses....one of your key identification papers?..you got it...BC, Now before the lost of the BC's I had cause to get a few copies of my BC for travel,.. passport ID..and such...now when I went to get my new mandatory NJ drivers license I was informed that the red sealed raised notarized mark of my copies were no longer a valid form of ID. I had to go to the capitol, Trenton to get a new approved retyped official form ....at a cost of $19...(copies available for just two dollars more)...of course you could have waited a few weeks to mail an application to Trenton to get a new version of your BC...for about $35...if you wanted to take the chance of driving illegally while waiting for your new improved drivers license and got stopped...the new fine was increased to $120 driving without proper ID. You see, Hudson county NJ, is also the place where bogus tickets were sent out through the mail....just at random, by going through auto license plates issued in the state. The offense were illegal parking,minor traffic,but mainly parking, even though you never been...it was thought better to just send in the cash,($40-$60) rather, take a day off to fight it and waste time and money traveling to the court to fight it.

14 posted on 09/03/2009 6:38:43 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: NavyCanDo

And there isn’t even a box to check to say NO. Or anything that tells you how to not pay.

Their official position seems to be that you should look at the amount you owe, and send in $5 less.

Who would ever think to do that, unless they were specifically told to do so?


15 posted on 09/03/2009 6:40:43 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Baynative
Corrupt WA government ping
16 posted on 09/03/2009 6:56:22 AM PDT by Oorang (Tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Close your bank account before renewing the license. after getting the license open a new account at a different bank.

Or:

its lumpy mattress time, and pay cash for everything.


17 posted on 09/03/2009 7:09:34 AM PDT by chainsaw (If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J..)
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Say WA? Evergreen State ping

Quick link: WA State Board

FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this ping list.

Ping sionnsar if you see a Washington state related thread.

18 posted on 09/03/2009 8:04:29 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: NavyCanDo

(without permision donations)

Didn’t we used to call this “theft.”


19 posted on 09/03/2009 8:12:08 AM PDT by Grunthor (Every time one of them croaks, freedom is just that much more safe)
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And there isn’t even a box to check to say NO. Or anything that tells you how to not pay.

Their official position seems to be that you should look at the amount you owe, and send in $5 less.

Who would ever think to do that, unless they were specifically told to do so?

For crying out loud, this is outrageously ridiculous. Calling it a "donation" doesn't make it anything other than what it is...an unauthorized tax. Be aware that when you renew your registration, you need to deduct $5 from the amount you're told to pay.

20 posted on 09/03/2009 8:53:45 AM PDT by lonevoice (This tagline is identical to the one you are reading)
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