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'God's partners in matters of life and death'
Washington Jewish Week ^ | 8/19/09 | Adam Kredo

Posted on 08/20/2009 8:50:44 AM PDT by dervish

President Barack Obama needs some outside help pushing health care reform, and he's turning to rabbis to get it.

In a morning conference call with about 1000 rabbis from across the nation, Obama asked for aid: "I am going to need your help in accomplishing necessary reform," the President told the group, according to Rabbi Jack Moline, who tweeted his way through the phoner.

"We are God's partners in matters of life and death," Obama went on to say, according to Moline's real-time stream.

The 15-minute morning briefing was sponsored by the Religion Action Center of Reform Judaism, and included rabbis of all persuasions. Although the RAC hosts the call each year, participants had never before heard from a sitting president.

What stood out about the call is that Obama "is a master communicator," Moline, the rabbi of the Conservative Agudas Achim Congregation in Alexandria, said in an interview after the call ended.

"This was clearly a message that was tailored to us," and not merely a generic stump speech, he added.

Moline noted that in the lead up to the president's address, as the rabbis waited on hold, "there was a lot of chatter" among some participants who felt that the call should be seen as an opportunity "to instruct the President about [Presidential Medal of Freedom selection] Mary Robinson" and about the peace process in the Middle East.

"It was the subject of a good deal of conversation whether anyone was going to challenge him on that," in particular Rabbi Eric Yoffie, the president of the Union of Reform Judaism, whose has publicly chided Obama for his administration's stance on settlements.

When the issues failed to come up during the health care call, Moline pithily tweeted: "Yoffie praises President and does not raise any other issue. Good for him."

"Rabbi Yoffie stuck to the subject" of health care reform, Moline said in the interview, "I think it was a good thing."

Eyebrows were also raised by the choice of hold music that played to rabbis before the call began.

"First mistake," Moline tweeted, as he waited for the call to begin. "Music on hold is 'Deutschland uber Alles,' " a classical German anthem, the lyrics to which in part say, "Preserve and protect our Kaiser, our land."

(The music was chosen by the company carrying the conference call, not the White House or the RAC.)

A questioned submitted by Moline also was asked to the President, the rabbi proudly noted on Twitter, writing, "WOW! My question was asked of the President!!!!!"

The question, he later explained, was about how rabbis can address issue of health care reform "in a non partisan" way when they're behind the pulpit.

Obama responded by noting that the massive "human toll" of a broken health care system is a non partisan issue, and simply is unacceptable, Moline recalled.

The call, which was closed to the media, precedes another Obama phoner that is to take place at 5 p.m. this evening (Wednesday).


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To: militant2

I’d trade a horse in the senate for Kennedy or Kerry. Okay, with Kerry, it’s a even trade.


41 posted on 08/20/2009 9:22:24 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: dervish
Obama: "We are God's partners in matters of life and death"

Only Satan considers himself an equal to YHvH.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
42 posted on 08/20/2009 9:23:35 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: dervish
"We are God's partners in matters of life and death"

So, unless I'm mistaken, he has taken the sacred words of their religion and bastardized them into something eerily reminiscent of the Third Reich? And the rabbis are apparently mesmerized by the man? This is beyond sick and it is perversely ironic. I just do...not...get it.
43 posted on 08/20/2009 9:27:31 AM PDT by Since 2009-07-21
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To: Jewbacca

Yeah, listening to Rush and he’s going over that idea ....


44 posted on 08/20/2009 9:28:36 AM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: dervish

Wow...”God’s partner?” The sad thing is I’ll bet he believes that. Unbelievable.


45 posted on 08/20/2009 9:29:13 AM PDT by henkster (The frog has noticed the increase in water temperature)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Wiki says that only the third stanza is the Anthem of Germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEdoLKknCi0

It would be interesting to know if the whole song was played on the conference call.

But even if only the third stanza...who does that in the US???

It makes no sense.
Had to be intentional and someone should investigate.

Or as another poster said..Maybe God is the one that put it on the track of music.


46 posted on 08/20/2009 9:29:35 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
Wiki says that only the third stanza is the Anthem of Germany

If Obama knew he would have substituted "Tommorow Belongs To Me!"

47 posted on 08/20/2009 9:38:45 AM PDT by AU72
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To: dervish

“We are God’s partners in matters of life and death,”

If Obama said this he is WRONG from the word GO! God is NOT partner with Obama or anyone else who is for abortion. No way...no how!


48 posted on 08/20/2009 9:38:57 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: dervish

Is this part of the magic act, too? Hiding the cross. Not hiding the cross. Not being a Christian nation. Appealing to religious leaders—including Christian leaders. Communion in DC. Church. No church.

Playing “Deutschland uber Alles” to the rabbis on hold...and somehow the clerics’ tweets had ‘technical difficulties (per Politico’s commenters)

I am surprised the guy doesn’t combust at the mention of the Almighty. Also, I must admit the course of hurricane Bill heading toward New England & Nova Scotia is worth an ascerbic smile. Even the name is ‘Bill.’

http://hurricane.accuweather.com/hurricane/atlantic/basin.asp


49 posted on 08/20/2009 9:39:23 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: dervish

Obama went to the church of God Damn America for 20 years.

He is no Christian. He is a deceiver. One not of Christ but of an antiChrist.


50 posted on 08/20/2009 9:39:48 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: wagglebee

Barry Falsewitness speaks!


51 posted on 08/20/2009 9:41:35 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: dervish
To the narcissist, God and he are partners, as long as God serves the narcissist's needs. When you compare the following excerpt to Obummer's behavior and his large band of cult-like followers, I dare say a shiver will run up your spine, rather than a tingle down your leg. - OB1

Excerpt based on the book "Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited" - Sam Vaknin :

God is everything the narcissist ever wants to be: omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, admired, much discussed, and awe inspiring. God is the narcissist's wet dream, his ultimate grandiose fantasy. But God comes handy in other ways as well.

The narcissist alternately idealizes and devalues figures of authority.

In the idealization phase, he strives to emulate them, he admires them, imitate them (often ludicrously), and defends them. They cannot go wrong, or be wrong. The narcissist regards them as bigger than life, infallible, perfect, whole, and brilliant. But as the narcissist's unrealistic and inflated expectations are inevitably frustrated, he begins to devalue his former idols.

Now they are "human" (to the narcissist, a derogatory term). They are small, fragile, error-prone, pusillanimous, mean, dumb, and mediocre. The narcissist goes through the same cycle in his relationship with God, the quintessential authority figure.

But often, even when disillusionment and iconoclastic despair have set in -- the narcissist continues to pretend to love God and follow Him. The narcissist maintains this deception because his continued proximity to God confers on him authority. Priests, leaders of the congregation, preachers, evangelists, cultists, politicians, intellectuals -- all derive authority from their allegedly privileged relationship with God.

Religious authority allows the narcissist to indulge his sadistic urges and to exercise his misogynism freely and openly. Such a narcissist is likely to taunt and torment his followers, hector and chastise them, humiliate and berate them, abuse them spiritually, or even sexually. The narcissist whose source of authority is religious is looking for obedient and unquestioning slaves upon whom to exercise his capricious and wicked mastery. The narcissist transforms even the most innocuous and pure religious sentiments into a cultish ritual and a virulent hierarchy. He prays on the gullible. His flock become his hostages.

Religious authority also secures the narcissist's narcissistic supply. His coreligionists, members of his congregation, his parish, his constituency, his audience -- are transformed into loyal and stable sources of narcissistic supply. They obey his commands, heed his admonitions, follow his creed, admire his personality, applaud his personal traits, satisfy his needs (sometimes even his carnal desires), revere and idolize him.

Moreover, being a part of a "bigger thing" is very gratifying narcissistically. Being a particle of God, being immersed in His grandeur, experiencing His power and blessings first hand, communing with him -- are all sources of unending narcissistic supply. The narcissist becomes God by observing His commandments, following His instructions, loving Him, obeying Him, succumbing to Him, merging with Him, communicating with Him -- or even by defying him (the bigger the narcissist's enemy -- the more grandiosely important the narcissist feels).

Like everything else in the narcissist's life, he mutates God into a kind of Inverted Narcissist. God becomes his dominant source of supply. He forms a personal relationship with this overwhelming and overpowering entity -- in order to overwhelm and overpower others. He becomes God vicariously, by the proxy of his relationship with Him. He idealizes God, then devalues Him, then abuses him. This is the classic narcissistic pattern and even God himself cannot escape it.

52 posted on 08/20/2009 9:41:50 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Extreme right-winged mob terrorist astroturfing bitter clinging racist birther evilmongering wingnut)
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To: Jewbacca

He’s Barry Falsewitness


53 posted on 08/20/2009 9:42:54 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barry Falsewitness is proud of his "healthy skepticism" of organized religion. He's a deceiver.)
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To: dervish

Wonder what God thinks of his new “partner.” Mostly Obama is a partner of Death and the guy who sells it.


54 posted on 08/20/2009 9:50:23 AM PDT by madison10
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Amen!

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that noticed that. Isn’t that the reason satan was thrown out, because he considered himself the equal to G*d?


55 posted on 08/20/2009 9:52:17 AM PDT by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: dervish

Barack “jump the shark” Obama is now anointing himself god’s chosen partner on matters of life and death. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Sorry, but this guy has a head full of rocks. Chavez was right, he is lost in space.


56 posted on 08/20/2009 9:52:23 AM PDT by NotSoModerate (Report dissenters to snitch@whitehouse.gov for a $4,500 tax credit)
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To: dervish

Where does the Bible say that the government is my brother’s keeper? Is this a sign that the Jews are accepting Obama as the Messiah? Or will they properly reject his claims to Deity as blasphemy? Obama’s demagoguery now reaches a new high water mark. Will religion continue to accommodate Obama’s claim to Deity? Will the Jews continue to be the government’s partner in matters of life an death? We know that the liberal fascists believe themselves to be God, and to have the right to play God in every aspect of human life, but they rarely admit it so proudly as Obama has done.


57 posted on 08/20/2009 9:53:57 AM PDT by gorilla_warrior (Metrosexual hairless RINOs for hopey-changey bipartisan-ness)
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To: dervish

If my name was “Lightning” I wouldn’t go around calling myself God’s partner...reminds me of the last creature that tried that.

ZOT.


58 posted on 08/20/2009 9:54:54 AM PDT by madison10
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To: RummyChick
It was no accident.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

59 posted on 08/20/2009 9:57:09 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

This only shows that that particular Reform Rabbi is an illiterate. Yes, Hitler commandeered the tune. It happens to be part of a Violin Concerto by Josef Haydn. Leave it to a liberal not to know that.


60 posted on 08/20/2009 9:57:26 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (I'm still waiting for the One to say something that isn't a lie)
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