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To: Winged Hussar

You obviously have never had to sit with a lvoed one and write and advanced health care directive. If you do not have one in place the doctors will do what they want. These are legitamate questions that are asked a person when they are rational and can consider all options.

This is not an out of line set of questions. They have been asaked for decades. Families who care how their loved ones are treated should have these discussions NOW. You can paint this anyway you want but all medical care these days depends upon advance care directives —— if you do not have one you better be lucid when you hit the hospital else wise they will do what they want


5 posted on 08/19/2009 2:58:22 PM PDT by the long march
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There is a HUGE difference between a family working this out with their doctor, and the federal govt making this mandatory.


8 posted on 08/19/2009 3:01:08 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: the long march

The doctors are not allowed to ‘do what they want’. Please don’t spread ‘fishy rumors’ on FR....lol.

Did you read this piece of garbage? This is ridiculous and evil..especially for our service members. End of life planning is fine as long as it is between the patient,family members and the doctor. This survey is criminal in it’s wording and intent.


13 posted on 08/19/2009 3:05:44 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: the long march

“He is depressed”

“OK, we’ll kill him for you”


20 posted on 08/19/2009 3:10:04 PM PDT by GeronL (Pro-Freedom Fiction Writers Unite! - http://libertyfic.proboards.com)
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You obviously have never had to sit with a lvoed one and write and advanced health care directive. If you do not have one in place the doctors will do what they want. These are legitamate questions that are asked a person when they are rational and can consider all options.

A health care proxy is a much better choice in this matter. I sat with my mother when she was dying with my whole family around the table. My eldest sister was her health care proxy that knew beliefs and wishes. No document can be written to make the all the difficult choices. None.

24 posted on 08/19/2009 3:14:46 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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“m. I can no longer think clearly-I am confused all the time.”

Disgusting! The circled items speak for themselves. If one is always confused would one have the clarity to answer ‘m?’ The wrong medication or other complications could add to this factor.

The most important assessment is the medical prognosis. It is up to the the patient/family and medical team to decided on a case by case basis ... NOT THE GOVERNMENT.


31 posted on 08/19/2009 3:22:16 PM PDT by maggief
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Those questions are cold and suggestive. I used legalzoom.com to do a family member's will and living will, and the questions were nothing like that.

I also made sure that family member sat on them for awhile to make sure the choices were well understood and thought over.

Fortunately, that family member survived the operation, and will probably outlive me.

36 posted on 08/19/2009 3:35:24 PM PDT by 4woodenboats
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But that is between the family and a private doctor not the federal government involvement which is where I draw the line.

My parents had living wills and powers of attorney but the federal government didn’t come in and say no more healthcare as you are too old or disabled.

Huge difference. Like comparing an apple and an orange.


53 posted on 08/19/2009 3:46:02 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: the long march
Families who care how their loved ones are treated should have these discussions NOW

That is the ONLY part of your post I agree with.

However....there is no way in YOU KNOW WHERE I'd ask my Daddy or Mom or hubby...the types of questions on there.

Life is precious!!! It is God given!!!!

58 posted on 08/19/2009 3:49:51 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (BG x 2 (and a heartbeat was heard today....))
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I've had to sit with two close relations, watch them die, and advocate on their behalf. Neither had any end of life directives. I was not challenged in any way regarding my decisions. The doctors WILL NOT do as they please if there is no directive in place. This is the sort of scare tactics that liberals use to force people to hand over their freedoms to the government.
68 posted on 08/19/2009 4:00:14 PM PDT by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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This is not an out of line set of questions

... for families to deal with as families ... but the government has no business in these matters.

81 posted on 08/19/2009 4:14:12 PM PDT by plain talk
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Joined after the election, did you? Tell me, is that 1099 or W-2? Are you in Chicago, D.C. or telecommuting? What does that pay, or are you allowed to say? Is there a cafeteria? A cappuccino machine? Health food?
132 posted on 08/19/2009 5:16:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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I have never seen a health care directive which discusses a person deciding whether they feel they are a burden.

Health care directives can be made, but they are not usually directed in this fashion, in fact, I’ve never seen anything like this before and I presently have power of attorney and assisted with my father before he passed away. Please direct me to any directives that you are familiar with that is similar to this.

These forms are being used at the VA, not at hospice.

This is completely out of line to soldiers who have given so much for their country.


138 posted on 08/19/2009 5:26:29 PM PDT by HollyB
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For the VA. I have viisted my VA several times and had surgery several times and in all times I’ve told them I did not have a living will and did not want to make one and that was the end. however, if the veteran qualifies for treatment, why would he/she consider the cost of the treatment on his family (He paid for the treatment with his service).

A patient may have otehr concerns, but medical treatment should not be unless Obama plans to make the veterans go on his public option.


140 posted on 08/19/2009 5:29:09 PM PDT by Aggie65
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This is not an out of line set of questions.

Take the long march Maoboy, back to DU. zot

162 posted on 08/19/2009 7:14:59 PM PDT by xone
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Why “Long March”? Was “Great Leap” taken?


171 posted on 08/19/2009 8:38:15 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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I helped both my mom and dad with their advanced directives. The local hospital had an exceptionally good template.

Some of these questions are in my opinion not appropriate. My Dad was a veteran of world war II. The financial questions are especially inappropriate particularly for veterans. The veteran is entitled to medical care from the government system.


190 posted on 08/19/2009 10:31:58 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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If you do not have one in place the doctors will do what they want.

if you do not have one you better be lucid when you hit the hospital else wise they will do what they want

You are completely full of crap. They do what the family wants, even (sadly) bowing to their wishes in clear violation of advance directives. So, unless the patient is completely without relatives of any kind, your scenario is 100% BS.

197 posted on 08/19/2009 11:42:21 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're definitely in the Rise of the Empire era, but is Obama Valorum or Palpatine?)
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Doctors ARE NOT allowed to do what they want. You sound like that moron Obama when he spouts the same lies.


226 posted on 08/20/2009 7:31:46 AM PDT by cake_crumb (86 44!)
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I think the difficult but acceptable choice as the best choice is the point here. Plenty of People in wheelchairs would answer that they love their lives and are happy. Not living a difficult life but acceptable. Of course these talks need to happen but, when if I am healthy but am disabled, I am not going to begin talking about the end of my life. Those happen in the course time.


229 posted on 08/20/2009 7:53:54 AM PDT by Bruinator (It's the Media.............Stupid)
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I had major surgery three years ago. The hospital sent me a similar questionnaire. My lawyer had me set up a living will. Since I was unmarried my daughter was given the power of attorney. I realized at the time a prudent person would have these instruments in place even in good health.
239 posted on 08/20/2009 9:06:01 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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