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Two House Democrats Seek Information From Insurers (Fascism in Amerika Alert!)
WSJ ^ | 8/19/2009 | NAFTALI BENDAVID and AVERY JOHNSON

Posted on 08/19/2009 10:38:24 AM PDT by markomalley

Two powerful House Democrats have sent a letter to insurance companies asking them to provide detailed information about their conferences and retreats, executive pay, and other business practices.

The letter comes in the midst of a campaign by Democrats, as part of their push to build support for a health overhaul, to portray the insurance companies as the villains of the health-care system. Insurers say they are working with Congress on an overhaul and resent being cast as the bad guy.

The letter is from Rep. Henry Waxman (D., Calif.), who is chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, and Rep. Bart Stupak (D., Mich.), who heads the panel's Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; democrats; liberalfascism; lping; obamacare; waxman
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Insurance executives: hire private investigators ASAP!

Publicize the Rat Party (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party) Congress members' malfeasance! How hard can it be to find Rat wrong-doing?

Simple.

21 posted on 08/19/2009 11:17:27 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: markomalley

“DO YOU NOW, OR HAVE YOU EVER, KNOWN ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY??”


22 posted on 08/19/2009 11:21:41 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: markomalley

Just tell them that all the information they need is in the 10K and annual report to stockholders; just like the law requires.


23 posted on 08/19/2009 11:24:38 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Palin shrugged.)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
Two powerful House Democrats have sent a letter to insurance companies asking them to provide detailed information about their conferences and retreats, executive pay, and other business practices.



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24 posted on 08/19/2009 11:33:59 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: mrsmel

.....not to mention the fact that they intend to keep their health care plan while dumping the rest of us on a third world-type government plan.


25 posted on 08/19/2009 12:02:53 PM PDT by bustinchops
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To: markomalley

“Intimidation” is not the word. This is persecution.


26 posted on 08/19/2009 12:03:41 PM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama - The wolf in the suit.)
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To: bustinchops

How could I forget that! yes indeed. That is the MO of marxists, they are always the deserving elite, deserving of escaping the slavery they intend to impose on the rest of us. You know, they’re not really even commies. They’re just plain old evil tyrants and spawn of satan, this is just the latest incarnation of the battle between good and evil. Too bad they never read how it ends.


27 posted on 08/19/2009 12:06:41 PM PDT by mrsmel (Put the Gitmo terrorists near Capitol Hill.)
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To: mrsmel
This is not exactly Marxism, though it is left wing philosphy.

Apologies to those who have seen some much of this recent rant before. It is especially appropriate as a comment to this story, and includes some modifications to what I've written previously.

I have finally come to the understanding that the political system now being touted by the left as "PROGRESSIVE", to deflect criticism of them being liberal, is actually a synthesis of two previously existing government forms: Communism and Fascism.

When many use the word “fascist” they are simply using it as a pejorative. When people were calling Bush “fascist”, that was simply a smear. When I challenged them to define fascist, and they were unable to respond, I educated them. That reduced them to calling him monkey instead. Dear Leader has been RULING as a fascist (most recently demonstrated by his town hall antics) as I will demonstrate.

When I labeled Dear Leader and Pelosi, etc., Fascist, I was NOT using it as a pejorative. It's an attempt to describe as accurately as possible the system of government they espouse and are trying to bring about. I ran into a problem, though, when researching the question.

I excerpt part of http://open-encyclopedia.com/Fascism as a base for the analysis.

The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that

... The purpose of the government under fascism proper was to value itself as the highest priority to its culture in just being the state in itself, the larger scope of which, the better...

... The Nazi movement spoke of class-based society as the enemy, and wanted to unify the racial element above established classes. The Fascist movement, on the other hand, sought to preserve the class system and uphold it as the foundation of established and desirable culture...

...Fascism rejects the central tenets of Marxism, which are class struggle, and the need to replace capitalism with a society run by the working class in which the workers own the means of production. ...

[Fascism includes] capitalism ... This was a new capitalist system, however, one in which the state seized control of the organization of vital industries.

Look at the agenda the Progressives have undertaken since gaining control of Congress in 2006, and indeed before that time. Control of business, reduction of personal liberty, using propaganda and censorship to suppress opposition, social regimentation, higher taxes which again reduces personal liberty, expanding national government everywhere, even severe regimentation passing laws about light bulbs and on and on. Much of their agenda and methodology is VERY fascist.

However, bullet points 1 & 4 give us a problem whether we use nationalism or racism. Progressives certainly never goad people into a frenzy by extolling the virtues of the United States so are not nationalists in the typical sense of the word. They don’t use racism that way, either- they merely use it as a pejorative. Thus, we are not quite accurate in equating Progressivism with Fascism.

A digression concerning Nazi (National Socialist) vs. Fascist: Nazi is a subset of Fascist, but that subset does not include any more Progressive traits than Fascist.

What actually is needed to describe Progressives is Fascism that is NOT nationalist, at least nationalism in the sense of promotion of their nation as superior.

They are not Socialist (Marxist), either. When have you EVER heard a Progressive politician or any of the Democrats extol the virtues of having a classless society? Certainly they don't desire that for themselves or their rich donors! They are definitely in favor of a classes, with themselves in the highest class.

This brings up the following, from the same main source: http://open-encyclopedia.com/Communism

In terms of socio-economic systems, communism and socialism are two different things. For example, socialism involves the existence of a state, while communism does not...[and] abolishes private ownership altogether.

I’ve heard it argued that Communism has never been implemented, as a result. Apologies to Marx and Engels, but it is the supporters of communism who make that argument. Communism as it is now defined requires that there be NO “state”.

This helps us gain some ground. Communism shares this major feature of "no state" with Progressivism! So, where are we now?

These super-liberals, including Dear Leader and those who are currently running congress, have been pushing CapNTax, ObamaCare, apologies for the US, making nice with sworn enemies, international law, eliminating military superiority, etc.. In nearly EVERY area of our culture or economy that they have been pushing most fervently, they push for a leveling of the US with other nations, and attempt to remove national differences and boundaries. These fit with Communism, except that they have NO DESIRE to eliminate "classes" of people, or that the state OWN business- they only wish to CONTROL business as in Fascism (they have stated that they don't want to run the banks or auto companies) and they don't mind that their favored elites are billionaires, just as in fascism. Like fascism, they desire to control individual thought and behavior and forcibly suppress dissent.

Either we stipulate that the “whole world” is the “nation” for Dear Leader et al, to accurately describe their government philosophy, and state they are "ONE-WORLD FASCISTS", or we need a new word to describe their desired governmental system.

A word that would accurately synthesize their thinking is:

CommuFascist

The important point, though, is that whether this philosophy is labeled CommuFascist, or “Progressive” or One-World Fascists, analysis reveals that Dear Leader, Pelosi, and these super-liberals are espousing a MORE EXTREME FORM of Fascism and VERY extreme form of liberalism. Dear Leader is a “one-world” Mussolini.

Far from being pejorative, analysis reveals I was being generous when I was describing them as Fascist, not pejorative. I might be calling them something more extreme instead, “Progressive” or equivalently, CommuFascist.


28 posted on 08/19/2009 12:34:39 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys
The word “progressive” is a very misleading description of this current American left ideology, and purposely so from the perspective of the ruling elites. Their goal is to capture the affection, or at least the tolerance, of the naive masses, who instinctively think that “progress” is a good thing. In fact, today's “progressive” is more accurately termed “retrogressive,” because the “progressive,” rather than genuinely wishing to make society better with fresh ideas, seeks to go back in time to concepts which have been tried and proved disastrous elsewhere.
29 posted on 08/19/2009 2:51:16 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: markomalley; Liz; theothercheek; SunkenCiv; romanesq; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; Arizona Carolyn; ...
Notice that the Dem congressmen sent "letters," not subpoenas, to these insurance companies. Can anyone hazard a guess as to why? It would seem as if mere "letters" don't have to be answered.
30 posted on 08/19/2009 3:04:12 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: markomalley

I would tell Waxman to kiss my @ss!


31 posted on 08/19/2009 3:11:05 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: markomalley
Henry Waxman......

Will you whine "why me" when they drag you into the shower?

32 posted on 08/19/2009 3:17:03 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . fasl el-khitab)
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To: markomalley

I sure hope his voters do just that. Get rid of Waxman. He has been selling the country out for a long time.


33 posted on 08/19/2009 3:36:04 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: markomalley
Dear Honorable Representitives,

I am in receipt of your request asking for information on certain areas of spending within my company. We are a publicly held corporation, and therefore our financial statements are in the public domain. I would refer you to these public sources of information for the information you seek.

You however, have demonstrated the worst possible stewardship of this country's resources by creating a one year deficit LARGER THAN ALL OTHER DEFICITS FORM ALL PRIOR YEARS COMBINED, APPROACHING $2,000,000,000,000.

If you worked for my company, you would have been fired long before you had the chance to do a small fraction of the damage you have done while in office.

In closing, your cheap grandstanding as represented by this request does little to cover your abject failure as stewards of our nations economy. I would suggest both of you resign immediately and promptly return any monies you have received in salary while in office.

Sincerely,

John Q. Insurance Company

P.S. I make a profit for the shareholders of my company all of which are voters. How about you?

34 posted on 08/19/2009 3:46:17 PM PDT by Gabrial (ObamaCare: The efficiency of the Post Office, the compassion of the IRS, the costs of the Pentagon)
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To: mojitojoe

“The insurance companies need to challenge them. Tell them to piss off.”

YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

Sometimes I think the abbreviation “Rep.” in front of a Congresscritter’s name stands for “Reprehensible”;)


35 posted on 08/19/2009 4:04:42 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: markomalley

Clearly, the insurance industry is in arrears with their protection money. Pharma and trial lawyers are all paid up.


36 posted on 08/19/2009 4:48:15 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: markomalley
Nothing surprising here. It's the natural Orwellian progression. First you must inform on your neighbor, then finally you must inform on yourself. Clearly the insurance company execs are guilty of not loving Big Brother.
37 posted on 08/20/2009 12:55:58 AM PDT by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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