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for Pete's sake...

Leter refers to the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 when:

More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu.
- 500 cases of GBS were detected.
- The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times.
- The vaccine was withdrawn after just ten weeks when the link with GBS became clear.
- The US Government was forced to pay out millions of dollars to those affected.

1 posted on 08/16/2009 1:53:21 AM PDT by xtinct
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Do you have any sources for the numbers you state?


2 posted on 08/16/2009 2:27:17 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, leaving them unable to transmit signals to muscles effectively... Death is caused by paralysis of the respiratory system, causing the victim to suffocate.

Yeah, I want a "swine flu" vaccine that increases the risk of death from GBS respiratory paralysis and God knows what other side effects! Where do I sign up for this miracle medical marvel?

But, hey it's OK that 13 million Americans are supposed to get the "first round" of shots beginning in October. Why? Because the government says it's safe! Plus, they've already warned neurologists to be on high alert for GBS cases from the vaccine! I feel much better now!

This situation clearly demonstrates that the Gubmint would do an outstanding job of determining what treatments and medications are the safest and most effective for my family, friends and all Americans (even illegals!)!

Yes, I am being sarcastic. And, no way in h*** would I allow my family within 100 miles of that vaccine.

4 posted on 08/16/2009 2:58:36 AM PDT by kara2008 (Government cannot be the solution when government is the problem)
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5 posted on 08/16/2009 3:15:03 AM PDT by Ulysse
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In November of 1970, in basic training at Ft. Jackson, SC, I was administered a swine flu vaccine, which was manufactured from a partially killed virus. On Thanksgiving day, several days after getting the shot, I was admitted to the hospital with a temp of 105. A few days before and after my admission several people from my platoon also became ill with similar symptoms. At one time we had 40% of that platoon hospitalized.

Treatment included bed “rest”, aspirin, and freezing cold showers, and I maintained a temp of at least 104 for 7 days. I was in the hospital for 10 days. While hospitalized I developed secondary respiratory infections. I broke in to a medicine locker and stole 250mg ampicillin caps, started the regime, and was discharged back to duty on the 10th day.
At Ft. Bragg, 1 year almost to the day after my first flu shot, I was ordered by my first sergeant to go get another shot. I pretended to do so, and that was the last flu shot I’ve ever had.
I’m 61 years old now, and have had the flu twice - maybe three times since 1970. Never have I been sick as I was from that swine flu shot, and I always refuse to get another one.


6 posted on 08/16/2009 3:35:30 AM PDT by Nucluside (cleaning guns.)
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Having researched the issue, I am NEVER touching a flu vaccine.

I’m taking vitamins A,C,D3, which seem to have promising antiviral properties, and also 5000mcg B-12 as it seems to have a variety of useful anti-disease properties. I also started taking L-Glutamine as part of an exercise regime and found that it gives me a good kind of internal energy. I’ve since found that it gives your cells energy and helps fight disease.

But there is no doubt in my mind that at least one of the two major vaccine producers are owned by anti-populationist “liberals” like Ted Turner.


7 posted on 08/16/2009 3:42:58 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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Screw that vaccine, I won't be getting it and neither will anyone in my family. You want flu protection?

Here it is:

In 2006, Dr. John Cannell (Staff Psychiatrist at Atascadero State Hospital, California) and colleagues published a paper showing evidence that lower vitamin D blood levels during the winter can account for the increased transmissibility of the influenza virus among children and adults. Studies have proven that Vitamin D stimulates the immune system and disease-fighting cells, called macrophages and T cells. The cells create proteins that have antiviral and antimicrobial properties. Further, we know that macrophages and T cells have vitamin D receptors (VDRs) on them, enhancing their functions.

Dr. Cannell noted that patients in his psychiatric ward who took 2,000 IU of Vitamin D did not get the flu, while the patients in other wards (who did not take Vitamin D) did. The patients intermingled with each other so cross exposure was certain. The study demonstrated that Vitamin D supplementation could prevent one from developing the flu.


And if anyone wants any 'sources', they can Google it up.

Meanwhile, start taking 2000 IU of Vitamin D a day, I suggest 1000 in the morning and 1000 in the evening.
8 posted on 08/16/2009 3:57:49 AM PDT by mkjessup (Hey Comrade 0bama? No documentation = No eligibility, ok? Now GTF out of OUR White House!!!)
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My mother lived paralyzed with this horrible disease for the last 9 years of her life. We don’t know how she got it, but she was completely paralyzed for a long time, then she was able to walk with a walker, but not very well. She died of a heart attack at 60 years old. I wouldn’t wish this disease on anyone.

No one in my family will be getting this vaccine.


9 posted on 08/16/2009 4:02:36 AM PDT by dragonfire417
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later


13 posted on 08/16/2009 4:15:28 AM PDT by I_be_tc
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bookmark


15 posted on 08/16/2009 4:36:23 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger (The problem with socialism, is eventually you run out of other people's money. Margaret Thatcher)
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In 1976 I had been ordered by the USAF to take the swine flue vaccine the government had developed just prior too goingon duty for my evening shift.This was in the middle of December and it was damned cold in New Hampshire that night.

Anyway about an hour after going on duty my temperature began to soar,actually I was burning up from the fever and freezing from the cold weather all at the same time.

After getting off duty the following morning I went back to the dorm and slept for 24 hours straight.The fever finally started to break.

I swore to myself that I would never get another vaccine manufactured by and for the Government.

Needless to say more people became I’ll because of the vaccine than became I’ll from the actual swine flue virus.


16 posted on 08/16/2009 4:39:21 AM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the Dogs.)
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My husband took the 'swine flu' shot in '76 and started coming down with the clear symptoms of Guillain Barre....

...thank goodness it was short lived, maybe 24 hours....but it scared him good.

17 posted on 08/16/2009 4:41:46 AM PDT by Guenevere
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In 1976 I had been ordered by the USAF to take the swine flue vaccine the government had developed just prior too goingon duty for my evening shift.This was in the middle of December and it was damned cold in New Hampshire that night.

Anyway about an hour after going on duty my temperature began to soar,actually I was burning up from the fever and freezing from the cold weather all at the same time.

After getting off duty the following morning I went back to the dorm and slept for 24 hours straight.The fever finally started to break.

I swore to myself that I would never get another vaccine manufactured by and for the Government.

Needless to say more people became ill because of the vaccine than became I’ll from the actual swine flue virus.


19 posted on 08/16/2009 4:44:31 AM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the Dogs.)
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US MSM hiding all this because W is not in WH now, O is.


21 posted on 08/16/2009 4:58:07 AM PDT by anita
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This bothers me beyond words. Another wag the dog to do what?? Push HEALTH CARE? Enforce Martial Law? Steal another election? Exactly what is this about?

I DO NOT TRUST THIS Government and especially the NEWS MEDIA.


24 posted on 08/16/2009 5:21:43 AM PDT by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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Well, when they use rotting monkey kidneys and an assortment of other gruesome ingredients to make the vaccine, I guess pesky side effects occur.


25 posted on 08/16/2009 5:45:02 AM PDT by NotSoModerate (Report dissenters to snitch@whitehouse.gov for a $4,500 tax credit)
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In this case, it’s not going to be as clear-cut as 1976. Although I’m sure it wasn’t clear-cut back then at first, either.

If we had the same rates of GBS as in 1976, and EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the USA got a shot (never gonna happen), we’d have around 180 deaths and a total of 3.750 detected cases of GBS.

And we only had ONE death from swine flu in 76.

THIS influenza has ALREADY killed almost 500 Americans. And that’s in the non-flu season! It will be much worse during flu season, and it’ll be far worse than that if we get any nasty mutations.

Statistically, based on those figures, so far it looks more likely to me that you will die from influenza without a shot than get GBS with a shot.


26 posted on 08/16/2009 5:53:18 AM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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H1N1 vaccine = an overpopulation solution. And a source of death taxes to help balance the budget.


29 posted on 08/16/2009 6:02:21 AM PDT by chainsaw (If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J..)
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From the story:
Within days, symptoms of GBS were reported among those who had been immunised and 25 people died from respiratory failure after severe paralysis. One in 80,000 people came down with the condition. In contrast, just one person died of swine flu.
As a result of the vaccinations?
More than 40 million Americans had received the vaccine by the time the programme was stopped after ten weeks. The US Government paid out millions of dollars in compensation to those affected.
So, of 40,000,000 people vaccinated, there were 25, or one in 1,600,000, who died from this condition (which may or may not have been a result of the vaccine) versus one in 40,000,000 who died from what they were vaccinated against. Sounds like it worked.

From further down in the story after the mention of a "possible" eight-fold increase in GBS while discussing the etiology of GBS and saying that no one really knows how it is caused:
However, it is thought that one in a million people who have a seasonal flu vaccination could be at risk and it has also been linked to people recovering from a bout of flu of any sort.
If the usual rate of GBS following a seasonal flu vaccination is 1:1,000,000 and that of those getting it following the immunization for swine flu is 1:160,000,000, then one could say that getting the vaccination reduced their risk of getting GBS to 1/160 of that of other flu-vaccinated people. So the overall message of this story is that not only is your chance of getting a potentially deadly swine flu greatly reduced by the vaccination, so are your chances of getting GBS.
33 posted on 08/16/2009 6:19:50 AM PDT by aruanan
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38 posted on 08/16/2009 7:03:47 AM PDT by SweetCaroline (We have the right to debate & disagree with this & any administration ! H. Clinton)
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39 posted on 08/16/2009 7:12:03 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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