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Real Debate Is Individualism Vs. Collectivism
IBD Editorials ^ | August 11, 2009 | ROBERT TRACINSKI

Posted on 08/11/2009 6:32:01 PM PDT by Kaslin

The goal of the Democrats' plan for health care reform is coming more and more out into the open: They want to eliminate health insurance.

This is the line of attack the Democrats have chosen as they've gone into the August recess:

Private health insurance companies are evil, and big government is here to save us from them.

According to the New York Times, President Obama is planning an "August offensive against the insurance industry." It is "a campaign of increasingly harsh rhetoric" that is "intended to drive home the message that revamping the health care system will protect consumers by ending unpopular insurance industry practices, like refusing patients with pre-existing conditions."

That part about pre-existing conditions gives the game away. Health insurance companies refuse to cover pre-existing conditions for the same reason that you can't insure your automobile after you crash it.

Insurance is a form of financing for the unexpected and unpredictable. It is not a mechanism to force somebody else to pick up the tab for expenses you have already incurred.

Do the Democrats even understand what insurance is? Insurance is a form of financing. It is a contract under which a health insurance company agrees to pay for medical bills that could run into the tens of thousands of dollars, if you are hit by a bus or are diagnosed with cancer, so that you don't have to pay for those bills out of your income or savings.

So let's ask the question the left never asks: How is it possible for an insurance company to pay for these giant medical bills?

Welfare, Not Insurance

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; bhofascism; democrats; obamacare; socializedmedicine; tragedyofthecommons
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1 posted on 08/11/2009 6:32:02 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: bareford101; BerniesFriend; blaveda; Bookwoman; Celeste732; dsc; FrdmLvr; FreedomPoster; ...

2 posted on 08/11/2009 6:33:20 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

It’s all about how ones value is calculated by how much they support the collective.

Fascism

Peter Singer (Princeton bioethics professor) says in NYT, “Rationing health care means getting value for the billions spent by setting limits on which treatments should be paid from the public purse ….The task of health care bureaucrats is then to get the best value for resources they have been allocated….If a teenager can be expected to live another 70 years, saving that life gains 70 life-years, whereas a person of 85 can be expected to live another 5 years, then saving the 85-year-old will gain of only 5 life-years. That suggests saving one teenager is equivalent to saving 14 85-year-olds”.

At last I finally understand how “life years” are figured. The age is the denominator!
It’s all about what is best for the collective. When one retires, one should die.


3 posted on 08/11/2009 6:39:12 PM PDT by bareford101 (Give me liberty, or give me death!)
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To: bareford101
"It’s all about what is best for the collective. When one retires, one should die."

    Socialism is a system created by psychopaths that turns its victims into psychopaths.

4 posted on 08/11/2009 6:42:53 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda arm.)
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To: Kaslin

*Bump*


5 posted on 08/11/2009 6:44:43 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Windcatcher

I can relate...


6 posted on 08/11/2009 6:44:47 PM PDT by bareford101 (Give me liberty, or give me death!)
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To: Windcatcher

It’s all STICK ... with no CARROT


7 posted on 08/11/2009 6:45:38 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Kaslin

“It is a contract under which a health insurance company agrees to pay for medical bills that could run into the tens of thousands of dollars, if you are hit by a bus or are diagnosed with cancer, so that you don’t have to pay for those bills out of your income or savings.”

yeah right......I used to think that until I broke my leg in an accident and they refused to pay until I got a lawyer.....insurance companies are sh!t


8 posted on 08/11/2009 6:52:17 PM PDT by sfvgto (Washington D.C. is a great place to live...........if you are a cockroach)
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To: sfvgto

I heard on TV the head of United Health Care makes $102,000 per HOUR.

parsy, who thinks he is very overpaid


9 posted on 08/11/2009 6:56:23 PM PDT by parsifal ("Where am I? How did I end up in this hospital room? What is my name?" Anonymous)
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To: Kaslin

Very good article by Robert Tracinski! Thanks for posting.


10 posted on 08/11/2009 6:58:01 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Kaslin

Another misidentification of the problem.

Leftism is promoted through lies & manipulations, not through logical arguments.

They have academic arguments, which are principly there to provide a justification for the mindset.


11 posted on 08/11/2009 6:59:53 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: parsifal
Then parsy can buy some stock and, as an owner, put forward a motion to change this. Convince more than 50% of your co-owners to agree, and there you go.

Or is that more freedom (and responsibility) than your colllectivist heart can take?

12 posted on 08/11/2009 7:03:41 PM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: Kaslin
"August offensive against the insurance industry."

They're searching for a new boogie man. The hate Bush rhetoric doesn't work anymore, because Oboma is worse. They can't attack Republicans, because they're not falling for the bait. They tried to demonize American citizens, but that came back to bite them.
"Quick! Think of something. Oh! How about "big" insurance? It's like, you know, "big" oil or something. That ought to work!"

13 posted on 08/11/2009 7:09:45 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: safeasthebanks

Here’s a real good article on the difference between conservatism and liberalism.

http://www.articlesbase.com/politics-articles/what-is-conservative-and-what-is-a-liberal-1026436.html

As far as your suggestion, you now nothing about corporate realities.

parsy, whose conservative little heart is trembling at what the libertarians and anarcho-capitalists are doing to the country


14 posted on 08/11/2009 7:14:43 PM PDT by parsifal ("Where am I? How did I end up in this hospital room? What is my name?" Anonymous)
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To: safeasthebanks

Most have learned not to look that particular animal in the eyes, as he usually moves on with his 3rd person narrative if ignored.


15 posted on 08/11/2009 7:17:45 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: bareford101

Liberals define generosity by how much of OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY they are willing to spend and therefore conservatives are stingy because we insist on US deciding how to spend our money.


16 posted on 08/11/2009 7:19:22 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Obamacare: all the efficiency of the DMV and all the compassion of the IRS.)
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To: Kaslin

btt


17 posted on 08/11/2009 7:27:09 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: sfvgto

At least you can sue an insurance company. Good luck suing the government if they decide you’re too low on the “collective priority” scale.


18 posted on 08/11/2009 7:28:53 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Control the teleprompter, control the agenda!)
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To: Kaslin; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...

From a secular POV, maybe. The real debate though is God versus no God. “Non serviam” said Lucifer and he says that to this day.


19 posted on 08/11/2009 7:30:33 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: Kaslin

See “Tragedy of the Commons” to know the perils of collectivism.


20 posted on 08/11/2009 7:32:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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