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To: rarestia
Something tells me that most of us wouldn't devote our lives or our fortunes to this country anymore

Something tells me we will not have a choice. Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.

You are thinking October, but their target date is 9/12.

We are up against a mighty force in these people. An amazingly deceptive network of people. I feel we can no longer ponder how we got here, but where we are going. We've been told to sitdown and shutup. If we do that we will lose, give away, our Rights. In return we will get peace? You see we've always been the silent majority and we're not silent right now. Once we've started making noise, talking, connecting it won't be stopped.

War, is on the horizon and we’ve already been framed as the enemy, as the terrorists, and extremists. Most of us have already been reported to the DHS, we just don't know it yet or we're in our own bubble of denial. On April 15th, 2009 at our tea party we joked and kidded each other about being categorized as enemies of the state.

They hold the upper hand in propaganda and will continue to do so. So, we must find another way and stop complaining about the Propaganda Press. We must create our own newspapers, flyers, etc. and get them put in public places. Deliver them free door to door in our own locals. In other words we must find an alternative. The internet for now is Ok, but it won't be here as free as it is today.

We have several results to seek. I have less faith that 2010 or 2012 will hold any valid meaning. In fact they are pushing for a crisis to stop the elections. I felt 2008 was our last chance. I cried that day after I voted. When people lose faith in the electoral system it will collapse. I watched closely what they did here in Ohio in 2008. Tactics were tested here in 2004 & 2006. I warned people that whatever they get away with in Ohio will be pulled nationwide. 2008 was an opportune event for them and honest elections & voting died the month of November.

The last civil war had a leader at the end that could still save the union. That could reconstruct what was torn asunder. 0bama doesn't have the skill to do that, nor is that his goal. One leader wanted to save the country, the other wants to destroy it. Recall during the campaign he noted Lincoln a lot. The code wasn't about Lincoln's leadership, the message was about a civil war.

I have started wondering do all these hardcore marxists etc. get tried and convicted of Treason? Do we revoke their citizenship and turn them out of the country? What of their underground network? The ACORN, teachers, college professors, etc.? What do we do with that 10%, 20%, 25% of the population that denounces their citizenship by their support of socialism, marxism, etc.?

We’ve long tolerated their type and now we find we’ve tolerated them for far too long. In a country of Free Speech, should speech in opposition to our founding documents be tolerated? I have my own conclusion to that question and many patriots here would deny me for it. Speech that works to overthrow our freedoms, our nation, our Constitution is treason.

Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not yet sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises a formidable cry of defense. Thomas Paine

Our time, our generation’s call, the Liberty Bell is ringing

37 posted on 08/10/2009 4:29:31 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: EBH

EBH, your words are prescient and downright scary. I’m reminded of a quote from “The Count of Monte Cristo” where the Napoleonist father of a Magistrate says, “When it comes down to it, treason is really just a matter of dates.” I’m paraphrasing, but the point here is that the activities of the left could be and should be construed as treasonous. However, since they have a sympathetic government, everything fits.

Now, those conservatives among us are feeling subjugated for clinging bitterly to our guns and our Bibles, but guess what? You’ll have to pry BOTH of them from my dead fingers, because you’re right, EBH, freedom truly is just another word for nothing left to lose.

I’m scared for my family and my country, but I’m prepared to die to defend both. If that makes me an extremist, then feel free to report me. When the Gestapo knocks on my door, I’ll make sure my wife submits my obituary to FR.


44 posted on 08/10/2009 4:44:48 AM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: EBH

“I have started wondering do all these hardcore marxists etc. get tried and convicted of Treason? Do we revoke their citizenship and turn them out of the country? “

The French had a little contraption that was quite effective in dealing with elite, treasonous, ruling classes!


47 posted on 08/10/2009 4:46:37 AM PDT by timetostand
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To: EBH
I'm delighted to see you employ one of the sharp and telling quotes from Tom Paine in addressing this modern crisis. That is the exact premise of my latest book, now being published. See the link in the tag line, below.

John / Billybob

66 posted on 08/10/2009 5:53:34 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Tom Paine and the future of America: www.TheseAreTheTimes.us)
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To: EBH

If we beat this “health care” bill in the next few weeks, we cannot believe that the war is over. I am afraid that many, if not most will assume that, if the bill is killed in this session, that everything is hunky dory and that we live in a free country.

No. That is totally wrong. We don’t live in a free country now, even without this health care bill.

We have to keep the pressure on. We have to continue the fight. We have to take this country back. That means going on the offensive and stop with the decades of defensive sniveling and capitulation.

We have to be willing to get involved, talk to strangers, and run for office ourselves.

We have to roll back the tyrannical, imperial, federal government so that we can be free people again some day.

Freepers, too, will have to give up their favorite government programs and “services”. Maybe Freepers could start with disabusing themselves of the idea that paying your taxes (with a gun pointed at your head) is some sort of patriotic duty.

Freepers, like everyone else, will have to make the choice that freedom is worth “giving up” the “services” and “benefits” that have enslaved a once-free people.


92 posted on 08/10/2009 6:27:06 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (ObamaCare is socialism. It will do nothing but increase premature, unnecessary death.)
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