Posted on 08/05/2009 11:15:25 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Today’s top-selling biology textbooks present evolution as the only scientific view of the history of life. Often these textbooks use faulty or deceptive evidences to support evolutionary ideas. Fortunately, students can easily equip themselves with free materials that dissect textbooks and reveal the truth...
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Then their academic acheivements will get counted along with the rest of the country, against those students from other countries who don’t learn evolution at all.
The assertion is that teaching evolution has hurt our academic performance compared to the rest of the world.
The obvious test of that assertion is to compare our scientific and academic achievements against those of countries where they do not learn the theory of evolution.
And the lawsuits to keep God and creation out of school have been for the most part successful.
Go ahead. Show is the studies that demonstrate that what you say is the case; that teaching creation brings down grades, that there is even time spent in public schools teaching religion, or *fairy tales* if you will.
Send us links to the curriculum that the public schools use that does this so we can see it for ourselves.
Courtesy ping to GGG because another evo hypocritically neglected to courtesy ping someone when talking about them by name, or otherwise.
Fail.....
Utterly fascinating projection of a fairy tale with a fine seasoning of Spanish Inquisition tossed in for no good reason.
Heh. You painted yourself into a corner, and all you can do is deny the outcome.
teaching religion is theology, not science.
teaching creation, is a fairy tale.
The rest of it is just the usual overly wordy crevo blow and blather, hoping you make just enough noise to drown out reason.
Awwwwww....soreheaded you were cut off at the pass (and the knees again)?
No rebuttal, as usual.
But then again, how could there be.
Sir-project-alot...is it a tryout all you evo-cultists aspire to?
“Intelligence arises from intelligence then?”
—If God created the universe, than obviously, yes.
“If they claim to follow Christ’s teachings then it would be proper to ask whether they believe and accept what he said in the Bible, would it not? Or will you argue that Christ was an evolutionist?”
—I’ve seen many say exactly that. For example, Francis Collins (who headed the Human Genome Project and is now head of the NIH, thus arguable making him the leading Darwinist and simultaneously the leading advocate of intelligent design.) Collins wrote a book called “The Language of God” and started a foundation called “Biologos” which is kind of a counterpart to the Discovery Institute (Collins is also a leading opponent of Intelligent Design).
“Or perhaps you are advocating intelligent design?”
—As an atheist myself, I’m not advocating intelligent design; but I will say I don’t see a conflict between Darwinism and intelligent design. Darwinism merely says that species arise through natural forces. Thus Darwinism is no more an argument against God or intelligent design than, say, theories of how rainbows or snowflakes form naturally.
Hmmm, my poor brainwashed, creation believing, evolution and creation together taught progeny, having the almost the highest grades in their classes when they went to public school for their senior year, have (in age order) a 1530 SAT score, a 30 out of 32 ACT score, a 32 out of 36 ACT score, with the oldest two being invited to be in the honors programs in their respective big name (you’d recognize them in a heartbeat) private, secular universities, with the youngest likely the same as she has better school grades that her siblings.
And all are science/engineering majors.
Yeah, teaching them creation sure hurt their chances. /s
And about the only way to avoid this reality is apparently by asking irrelvant strawman questions about what’s going on in other countries or making up stuff about only creation being taught! LOL!
Liberals just can’t fathom that other people don’t behave like they do...allowing one or the other is simply all they know! The thought of teaching both is as foreign as glacial ice in the Holy Land!
OK, so since you brought it up and it’s soooooo obvious....present the results of:
A. children taught exclusively creationism overseas.
B. their resulting scientific competency.
teaching religion is theology, not science.
teaching creation, is a fairy tale.
The rest of it is just the usual overly...
blah blah blah
Teaching religion is teaching religion.
Theology is something different.
Just like proselytizing is different from teaching.
Your “education” has rendered you so impotent, anything else you thought you were going to opine on, is moot; all your helpless projections not-with-standing.
Just give us a ping when you produce your asseretions projectoillogic.
That was pretty funny.
The start of the downward spiral of the education system in this country directly correlates with the removal of God/prayer from the schools.
As a matter of fact, all negative societal indicators show a distinct, dramatic downturn starting that very year.
And homeschoolers, who are overwhelmingly taught from a Christian, yes, Creationist, worldview,
simply KICK ASS academically when compared to their public school counterparts.
His assertion is simply laughable.
And perhaps I missed Collin's statement on Christ's being an evolutionist, too. Where did he say that?
Indeed many advocates of intelligent design do not see any conflict between that belief and Darwinism but they also carefully avoid the identification of the intelligence with a god such as the Bible describes. I understand their reasons for so doing.
If there were no conflict between the teachings of Christianity and evolutionary theory or explanation for human origins then I would think there would be no need to develop something like NOMA to simply say, in a bit more polite terms, “mind your own business and stay out of ours”.
As an atheist, could you personally believe in an intelligent designer and be an atheist at the same time? It is that sort of dichotomy I see between Christianity and Darwinism, neo or oldo.
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You’ve already posted all the evidence I need.
B. their resulting scientific competency.
Okay. Let's start with the countries where they don't teach evolution. I'll submit Somalia and Afghanistan. You got any you want to add to the list?
Denying the outcome is denying the clear evidence in this country that those taught both creation and evolution and to think for themselves, do better than those just being spoon fed evolution and expected to regurgitate the propaganda.
Still waiting for that data that demonstrate that teaching both creation and evolution, or even creation alone as in the height of scientific inquiry of the previous centuries, will drag down the science education any more than it is with evolution alone.
We can keep it simple and not have to take into account cultural and societal differences and just use data from our own country.
Go ahead. Provide the evidence.
Anyone taught to think for themselves will do better than someone spoon fed and expected to regurgitate. Creationism doesn't get credit for that.
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