Posted on 08/02/2009 4:56:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
And then one of our moderators spotted this:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate
It has several clues, but also there's this question:
Who is E. F. Lavender?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=earth+friendly+lavender&aq=f&oq=&aqi
Earth Friendly Lavender detergent?
These are good questions. I am curious if they just didn’t adopt the British version and change the title at the top until they could develop their own version? Wonder what the previous years looked like?
*Note: Just throwing out that thought as well.
tyke, U got Orly pegged.
“The more I see of her and her antics (she’s already cost one man his job) the more of a joke she appears to be. How many times does Taitz and her 39 social security numbers have to be laughed out of court (she will be this time too) before you guys stop taking her seriously?”
Hey, I worked midnight shift Saturday night and I am ashamed to say I just took someone’s word for it and I don’t see that number either. Lesson learned
Melissa
Return to #847. The answer is in the first lengthy paragrapsh. Lots of luck finding that one bit of info in that HUGE thread. But the info came from someone who had run a quickie online search.
The original claim that Obama was born in Kenya was made by Bishop Ron McRae. He taped the phone interview with Obama’s step grandmother.
Do some historical research on Bishop Ron McRae, check out his background and any biases he may have had in starting this story in the first place.
It may make no difference whatsoever to the validity of this document, but as the one who started this whole idea that Obama was not a natural born citizen, McRae’s background could have an enormous effect on the minority response to this document, should it prove legitimate.
Ark v. US, comes closest. And, I think it can be fairly said that the majority opinion in that case does go quite a long way in narrowing or clarifying what “natural-born” actually means. And, in their definition, Obama would be eligible. But, they don’t go all the way.
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I must confess, I haven’t read that case closely. Do you think Bammy would be eligible if had one citizen parent and were born in Kenya?
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“But, as the framers wrote and intended, I don’t believe he qualifies. Unfortunately, that standard is not always the law of the land.”
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Right, that argument won’t fly in the current ‘court of public opinion.’
What’s interesting are two things:
1) The liberals insane reaction to this, while having personal doubts.
2) The evident coverup of so much of Bammy’s life to include:
his long copy birth certificate
his kindergarten records,
his Punahou school records,
his Occidental College records,
his Columbia University records,
his Columbia thesis,
his Harvard Law School records,
his Harvard Law Review articles,
his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago,
his passport,
his medical records,
his files from his years as an Illinois state senator,
his Illinois State Bar Association records,
any baptism records, and
his adoption records.
One good to come out of all this. The potential clarification of natural-born citizenship status for future, if not for now. Not giving up on this yet, but I tend to agree, that in the current environment, that may be the only fruit out of this, aside from condounding liberals - who are forced to defend obfuscation and mendacity.
On the contrary, Wong Kim Ark, 1898 cannot have any bearing on Barack Hussein Obama Jr.’s circumstance except in regard to the possibility of his mother conveying U.S. citizenship, IF she had been 19 years of age at the birth of her child. Wong Kim Ark, 1898 does nothing whatsoever in regard to the Constitution’s unique requirement for the definition of a “natural born citizen” as John Jay obtained the usage from Vattel and the previous two thousand years of history in France and the rest of Continental Europe. Attempts by Obama supporters to apply English-British common-law to an interpretation of the Constitution is a red herring. Upon declaring their independence from Britain, the States began to enact their own citizenship statutes and judicial decisions in replacement and overruling the English-British common-law they fought a Revoultionary War to overthrow.
The only interpretation of the Constitution which can possibly preserve the clearly stated intent of John Jay and the Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitutional clause is one in which any person who is born with an allegiance to a foreign sovereign, dual allegiance or not, cannot serve as Commander-in-Chief of the United States in the Office of the President.
Barack Husseing has already publicly acknowledged he was born with a natural born allegiance to the sovereign of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
Actually, you may have a very, very good point about that. But I still think we should just assume from the get-go that any of these BC's coming forward are hoaxes and proceed from there.
Ah, but the real problem lies in the fact that the real reason he will not release his records, is because he either lied to get funding for college as a “foreign student”...or to become President. Either way, he has broken the law.
There needs to be an investigation by the FBI before her infiltrates that organisation completely.
please read 5231 before you write any more garbage.
If you are frustrated or think this distraction has no meaning, ruminate on those words a bit...
This is a first in US history. We've witnessed a hostile takeover by an illegitimate foreigner; a communist, muslim, anti-American, white-hating, race-baiting, sociopathic scumbag. And a long-legged mac daddy.
Not even the media, or the congress, or the courts, want to "ruminate on those words a bit". They'd rather wait until millions are slaughtered, rather than speak any small truth that might get them called "racist".
For reference:
Obama Presidential Eligibility - An Introductory Primer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2275574/posts?page=29
Polarik’s Final Report on the COLB Forgery
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/11/22/obamas_born_conspiracy_obamas_bogus_birth_certificate_exposed!.thtml
They do, but that is too fishy for me to trust.
The name issue doesn’t, but the numbers do.
Ahh, another n00b spouting nonsense. Have you done spectral analysis on the paper or the ink? ... Didn’t think so.
Wow, you've been here almost a whole week! You must know everything about everything!
Ark says nothing about the age of the parents, nor does it say anything about the age of any parent with respect to the limitation of a parent's ability to convey citizenship either on the basis of jus soli or jus sanguinis. The "19 years of age" that you cite stems from a law that was passed long after US v. Ark was decided. And, that statute deals only with children that are born to US citizens while outside the jurisdiction of the US. Ark has everything to do with children that are born within the jurisdiction of the US. Big difference.
"Barack Hussein has already publicly acknowledged he was born with a natural born allegiance to the sovereign of the United Kingdom of Great Britain."
Ark does nothing to address or even acknowledge dual citizenship, or obtaining foreign citizenship as a minor child. But, another Supreme Court case does. You can reference a 1930's case Perkins v. Elg. It tackles, head on, a child, who was born in the US to Swedish nationals and subsequently moved back to Sweden with his parents. The court held that even though his parents obtained Swedish citizenship on his behalf, that could have no bearing on or provide no obstacle towards his ability to "reclaim" his US citizenship, provided he did so within a reasonable time of becoming an adult.
I didn’t question it until I saw which poster had put it out there.
It’s an oddity but that in and of itself proves nothing...which is why it’s important not to jump to conclusions one way or the other and wait until it’s been either authenticated or officially debunked.
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