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Conspiracy nuts' rhetoric troubling ("Birthers")
The Eau Claire Leader-Telegram ^ | August 2, 2009 | Tom Giffey, Editorial Page Editor

Posted on 08/01/2009 11:52:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The issue: Conspiracy theories that President Barack Obama isn't a natural-born citizen.

Our view: Such claims have been disproved, and those who tout them are in danger of provoking violent lunacy.

Please allow us to take a moment to wish President Barack Obama a happy birthday.

No, his birthday isn't today; Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961, meaning he will turn 48 on Tuesday. We know this because it says so on his birth certificate, which has been available for the world to see on Obama's campaign Web site since last year and which has been examined by government officials and journalists.

Of course, the reason Obama's birth certificate has received so much scrutiny and attention isn't because some people suspect he was actually born Aug. 2. It's because of bizarre rumors that Obama wasn't really born in the United States, but rather in Kenya, his father's homeland. Under the theory promoted by so-called "birthers," Obama isn't a natural-born citizen, and is therefore ineligible to be president.

Last week, the director of Hawaii's health department - who presumably has better things to do than field calls from conspiracy nuts - released a statement verifying she'd seen Obama's original birth documents and that he indeed was born in the United States. She'd issued a similar statement last year; however, as a department spokeswoman told The Associated Press, "They just keep asking over and over and over again."

As with most conspiracy theories today, this one has been incubated in the recesses of the Internet and fed by talk-show hosts such as CNN's Lou Dobbs. And as with conspiracy theories since time immemorial, evidence that disproves the theory will be dismissed as part of a grand cover-up.

Conspiracy theories have long dwelled on the fringes of American politics, dating back to Cold War fears of communism. More recently, Bill and Hillary Clinton were accused of drug-running and murder, while others claim George W. Bush secretly plotted the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. Perhaps such spurious claims could be laughed off if they weren't taken seriously by so many people. Witness, for example, the YouTube video showing an angry audience outburst when U.S. Rep. Mike Castle, R-Del., dared to say Obama was a U.S. citizen.

While the claims about Obama fit familiar patterns, they also veer into dangerous territory. Instead of objecting to Obama's policies, "birthers" object to the very fact he is in the Oval Office. Some have taken the law into their own hands: "Citizen grand juries" have sprung up in several states and "indicted" Obama for treason. While such claims undoubtedly will be laughed out of court, it's worrisome to think that some on the lunatic fringe might have other ideas of "justice." Consider the fact that James von Brunn, the neo-Nazi accused of killing a guard at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in June, espoused "birther" views on the Internet.

Those involved in political movements - even fringe ones - aren't responsible for the actions of sick individuals. Nonetheless, they are responsible for whipping up anger with lies. If "birthers" wish to challenge the president, they should do so with legitimate political arguments, not outlandish claims.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: article2section1; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; naturalborn; obama; obamanoncitizenissue
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If there's no *there* there, why keep penning hundreds, nay, thousands of articles about this issue? What does James von Brunn's beliefs have to do with your and my desire to know if Mr. Obama is eligible for the presidency? BTW, he was a LEFT-WING crackpot, not right-wing. His next target after the Holocaust Museum was the National Review's editorial offices. They are a conservative publication.
1 posted on 08/01/2009 11:52:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Our view: Such claims have been disproved, and those who tout them are in danger of provoking violent lunacy. "

Huh?

2 posted on 08/01/2009 11:54:06 PM PDT by FTJM
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Actually...in a matter of 60 seconds...the president could end every single question. He could stop all of this “silliness”. He could terminate one huge debate over his presidency. There are a thousand reasons to present the birth certificate and just stop the “violent lunacy”. So why not just show it and end this madness?

That is the $64,000 question. And it can’t be answered.

This boat will sink awful fast if some guy stands up in a public forum or press conference and asks the President to simply release the document. His response....which I’m sure he has tailored a nifty 8-minute comeback...will knock five points off his approval rating within a twenty-four hour period.

This has become a comical affair of huge proportions.


4 posted on 08/01/2009 11:59:20 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Are they partying in Obama’s birthplace of Mombasa yet?


5 posted on 08/02/2009 12:11:04 AM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: struggle

i don’t remeber the media going out of their way to defend bush against war for oil or 9/11 was an inside job. In fact they promoted it with Michale Moore. Isn’t that an interesting point of view. Lookie here.


6 posted on 08/02/2009 12:15:16 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Those involved in political movements - even fringe ones - aren't responsible for the actions of sick individuals. Nonetheless, they are responsible for whipping up anger with lies.

Oh Okay. Like the Bush Derangement Syndrome, or the Palin Hate, or the 'Borking' of Bork, or the attacks on Dan Quayle, or...or...or....

But now that we have a chance to do this to a Socialist, we're everything from "racists" to "kooks".

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Have a taste of your own bloody medicine, you simpering pipsqueaks!

Quit? In the words of John Paul Jones,

"We have not yet begun to fight!"

7 posted on 08/02/2009 12:19:37 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You may want to look at Orly’s blog. Just posted... http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/

(it will tell you it’s an attack site, but it’s there...)


8 posted on 08/02/2009 12:23:06 AM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
blah, blah, still stonewalling, blah, blah, ad hominem attacks, blah, blah, no you still can't see the birth certificate, blah, blah...
9 posted on 08/02/2009 12:25:15 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Speaking of nuts and lunacy, meet Tom Giffey

10 posted on 08/02/2009 12:28:31 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Suz in AZ

Motion for rogatory discovery to authenticate Kenyan Birth Certificate of Barack Hussein Obama
8:09-cv-00082-DOC-AN Ambassador Alan Keyes PhD, et al v. Barack Hussein Obama, et al
(ANx), DISCOVERY, MANADR

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT, CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

Notice of Electronic Filing

The following transaction was entered by Taitz, Orly on 8/1/2009 at 10:08 PM PDT and filed on 8/1/2009

Case Name: Ambassador Alan Keyes PhD, et al v. Barack Hussein Obama, et al
Case Number: 8:09-cv-82
Filer: Alan Keyes PhD
Document Number: 34

Docket Text:
NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD. (Attachments: # (1) Appendix Photocopy of Obama’s birth certificate from Kenya)(Taitz, Orly)
8:09-cv-82 Notice has been electronically mailed to:

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA david.dejute@usdoj.gov

8:09-cv-82 Notice has been delivered by First Class U. S. Mail or by fax to: :

The following document(s) are associated with this transaction:

Document description:
Main Document
Original filename:C:\Documents and Settings\Orly Taitz\My Documents\Keyes%20rogatory%20motion%202[1].pdf
Electronic document Stamp:
[STAMP cacdStamp_ID=1020290914 [Date=8/1/2009] [FileNumber=8207635-0]
[4da93b34b5fdee7990ff197d1d52961f770acc565b44d7fc733fd17c504b32e2e382d
943286e846ebef328762b316b0afaf37f29aa8cf9f725fa7514c0519f29]]
Document description:Appendix Photocopy of Obama’s birth certificate from Kenya
Original filename:C:\Documents and Settings\Orly Taitz\My Documents\Kenya BC.pdf
Electronic document Stamp:
[STAMP cacdStamp_ID=1020290914 [Date=8/1/2009] [FileNumber=8207635-1]
[2b1e994c5d722e038a18416495d68765cadffdb11fa1066b8c7814f13f52f8ae00b5d
945186f8c08973dd1125cd2526e37cbc74feb3897c09b6b9ce4708491eb

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=3583


11 posted on 08/02/2009 12:30:03 AM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
On this blog http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?cat=3 there are ssn’s for Mr. Obama’s
prior address in Chicago (5450 S EAST VIEW PARK)
all has ssn for 040-049 Connecticut
http://genealogy.about.com/od/social_security/a/numbers.htm
Here it states his first job was in Hawaii
http://www.bluemaumau.org/6621/president_barack_obamas_first_job
Did Mr. Obama ever live in Connecticut?
12 posted on 08/02/2009 12:31:06 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Methinks they protest too much.


13 posted on 08/02/2009 12:32:34 AM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Conspiracy nuts' rhetoric troubling ("Birthers")

Yes, the left's "Trig Truther" rhetoric is indeed troubling...

14 posted on 08/02/2009 12:34:02 AM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Our view: Such claims have been disproved, and those who tout them are in danger of provoking violent lunacy.

So much like Monica's blue dress.

When Hussein's Kenyan BC is authenticated, does anyone believe even one of these leftist b***ards will apologize?

15 posted on 08/02/2009 12:37:38 AM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: mojitojoe
Document description: Appendix Photocopy of Obama’s birth certificate from Kenya

Original filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Orly Taitz\My Documents\Kenya BC.pdf

First I've heard of this. Think I'll stop in at her site and see if this PDF is posted there.

16 posted on 08/02/2009 12:39:00 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Suz in AZ

My security stuff went off trying to visit there. Said it was incoming malignant software.


17 posted on 08/02/2009 12:40:12 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Smokin' Joe

How about the W assassination movie? Member that?


18 posted on 08/02/2009 12:47:52 AM PDT by toddausauras
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To: Luke21
I am the webmaster for a site and it has been blocked by Google, just like this one has been blocked. Same screen, message, etc.

I have had a problem for months now with someone uploading to the site, a Baptist Church preschool, a bunch of code that attempts to redirect or hijack a visitor's system. It's major PIA and I have not been able to figure out how to stop it from happening. I will reload the correct version of the index.htm and by the next morning it will have been corrupted again. Always the same exact code, always in the same exact place.

The people who host the account are working with me to find a cure, but meanwhile it's really a pain.

Apparently once Google tags a site as dangerous it doesn't change it until the owner satisfies some pretty stringent conditions. Part of me is really aggravated with Google, but another part knows they are doing me a favor.

I am convinced there will be a special place in hell for those who work this kind of mischief, right next to the place reserved for spammers.

19 posted on 08/02/2009 12:49:01 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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