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China Avoids US Bond Sales
The Business Insider ^ | Jul. 31, 2009 | Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 07/31/2009 5:25:48 AM PDT by Need4Truth

There's some fear out there that one of the big "shoes to drop" could be dropping -- namely our massive debt and the potential unwillingness of our trading partners to keep financing it.

This week saw a series of monster bond sales--so many, in fact that buyers may be getting a stomachache.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: china; economy; geithner; obama
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China has enough of problems without donating to Obamanomics or maybe they don't really believe Obama/Geithner.
1 posted on 07/31/2009 5:25:50 AM PDT by Need4Truth
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To: Need4Truth

Another Freeper said Luxembourg and cayman Islands buy more and hold more US debt than China. He seems to know this area well.


2 posted on 07/31/2009 5:28:25 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

Not according to this chart:

http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt


3 posted on 07/31/2009 5:32:30 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Need4Truth

Not a good sign at all. Once our creditors are full we cannot magically generate more money.


4 posted on 07/31/2009 5:32:36 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Need4Truth

And yet we keep spending like madmen. The only answer to service the debt now will be to raise taxes. The Dems will declare the recession over and institute massive tax increases. Also, don’t forget, there’s about 4 trillion in IRA’s and 401K’s they can tap. Remember Hillary’s statement about taxing 10% right off the top of all those retirement accounts? Hers was the least intrusive suggestion. Some analyst actually suggested seizing all retirement accounts and putting them in the “social security trust fund”. Get ready for it because you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.


5 posted on 07/31/2009 5:32:44 AM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: saganite

Hmmm... what’s the goal... what’s the goal...

Could it be, complete financial collapse, requiring a “strong hand” to step in and “take charge”?

No, it couldn’t be. These people are the best and the brightest, and there’s no way they are this devious and malicious. /sarc


6 posted on 07/31/2009 5:34:47 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Slapshot68

Thanks. I wouldn’t have known how to research that and it gives me additional perspective in reading what people post here.


7 posted on 07/31/2009 5:36:00 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

Of course this is a gov’t report, so take it with a grain of salt. ;)


8 posted on 07/31/2009 5:37:06 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: gusopol3

The biggest problem is that most of our debt is financed short term. The problem is not that China is cashing in. They are not buying more. Thus, the short term treasuries are coming due and we as a country are between a rock and a hard place!

Our debt is like a giant ponzi scheme in that if we do not get new buyers, we can’t pay the interest on the old debt.


9 posted on 07/31/2009 5:40:33 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Need4Truth

Can you blame them?


10 posted on 07/31/2009 5:46:50 AM PDT by taxtruth (America is a ping pong game!)
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To: Slapshot68

Canada needs to pony up some real money to “invest” in the mother country who’s teat they feed from. Maybe they’re stretched a little thin paying for all their “free” services.


11 posted on 07/31/2009 5:49:27 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: tired&retired

The Fed Reserve purchasing our debt is the equivalent to printing more money. It’s very inflationary.

I expect that interest rates will reach 10% by the end of this year. With a $12 trillion debt at 10% interest, that’s $1.2 trillion in interest expense.

If you want to have a rude awakening. Look at our total federal revenues and subtract out social security and medicare taxes which are restricted funds. If you divide the total revenue by the total debt, you will see that if interest rates reach the highs they did in the early 1980’s, it will take 100% of our Fed. Revenue just to pay the interest on the nat’s debt.

In this period if run away spending, fed. revenues are also dropping. In April, the highest fed revenue month of the year, receipts from corporate tax revenues were off 62% and individual tax revenues were off 44%. We should be measuring our countries life expectancy based upon the cash burn rate as we did the tech companies of the late 1990’s.


12 posted on 07/31/2009 5:52:07 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

If you look at the link posted in #3 above, you will note that the growth in foreign owned debt is in T-bills, not T-Bonds and Notes. T-Bills by definition are due within 1 year of issuance. Many are 90 days. It’s like having your house financed on a credit card rather than having a mortgage. Short term notes are subject to wild interest rate fluctuations, similar to a variable rate mortgage.


13 posted on 07/31/2009 6:02:22 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Need4Truth

Thanks for posting. Someone posted this article earlier and it has a lot of good reasoning in it.

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/07/doubts-about-feds-ability-to-control.html

And then of course

http://market-ticker.org/archives/1267-US-5yr-Bond-Auction-Effectively-FAILS.html


14 posted on 07/31/2009 6:13:22 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Need4Truth

p.s. did you read this one?

http://www.businessinsider.com/jim-rogers-another-collapse-coming-in-china-video-2009-7


15 posted on 07/31/2009 6:16:54 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Need4Truth
The Federal Government is completely out of control. There are no internal checks on Federal spending. The Constitution is meaningless (anyone hear any discussion in the health care debate about which clause in the Constitution authorizes the Federal government to spend another 1 trillion dollars enslaving the sheeple with "free" health care?).

So you should look at the collapse of the international market for US Treasury debt as a good thing. In fact, I am encouraged when I hear talk of the end of the dollar as the international reserve currency.

If the United States can not pay its debts in its own currency it will be forced to stop borrowing. Better would be to have a fiscally responsible government and own the world's reserve currency. But we have allowed our government to destroy that lofty post. And we the citizens are going to pay dearly for this mistake, especially our children and grandchildren.

16 posted on 07/31/2009 6:18:28 AM PDT by trek
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To: Need4Truth

When you borrow from Peter to pay Paul, you are up the creek when Peter says “No more”.


17 posted on 07/31/2009 6:29:26 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: saganite
One of the things I've done over the last few years is borrow money from my 401(k) account to finance a new business start-up. It's been a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned . . . I drew down my bond holdings that weren't paying great dividends anyway and have been paying myself back at a pretty low interest rate that's tax-deductible anyway.

If I ever get a sense that Uncle Sam is going to start messing around with my 401(k), I intend to borrow as much as I can from the remaining funds and walk away without making a single payment on the loan.

18 posted on 07/31/2009 6:32:08 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: FromLori

No, I hadn’t seen those articles. Thanks. Interesting quote by Jim Rogers “Mr. Geithner has been dead wrong for 15 years”.


19 posted on 07/31/2009 6:32:27 AM PDT by Need4Truth (Washington DC is a foreign entity.)
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To: tired&retired
We should be measuring our countries life expectancy based upon the cash burn rate as we did the tech companies of the late 1990’s.

Well, no. We should be measuring our government's life expectancy this way.

20 posted on 07/31/2009 6:33:32 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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