Posted on 07/30/2009 6:25:00 PM PDT by trueamerica
On the Decosta COLB (which no one alleges is a fake,) every field header matches that of the Obama COLB except for one. On hers it says : Date ACCEPTED By State Registrar. On Obamas it says Date FILED By Registrar (Notice not the state registrar, this would be the local one ). Two different things. Either that field header is forged in Obamas ( they are from the same form - OHSM 1.1 Revised (11/01) ) or it means his registration was FILED at that date BUT was not ACCEPTED. If you look at the long form copy of the birth certificate available online from 1963, Field 20 says : Date Accepted by Local Registrar. Field 22 says Date Accepted by Registrar General ( which is the State Registrar ).A change from accepted to filed are significant enough linguistic changes that a different form would have to be created. Legally, accepted and filed are two very different things. So both these phrase were used on the form depending on the circumstances.
This section of the Hawaii Revised Stautes explains why that would be used:
Sec 338-16 ( late registration defined ) d) When an applicant does not submit the minimum documentation required by the rules for late registration or “when the state registrar finds reasons to question the validity or adequacy of the certificate or the documentary evidence, the state registrar shall not register the late certificate and shall advise the applicant of the reason for this action.”
So, something entered on the long form was not verifiable and thus, it was not approved by the state. So assuming his online COLB is not fake ( or the forgers were just too incompetent to notice they put in the wrong field header ), all you have with his online COLB is a FILING, not an ACCEPTED certificate
Could this be what he is hiding?
But Barry claims to have been born hours before the Nordyke twins. Why is his number higher than theirs?
thanks, ping me when you do...it will be very interesting to see. Can you tell me now, does your CoLB state FILED or ACCEPTED?
And for the record, NONE of the COLBs necessarily mean that he was born in Hawaii, which is the crux of the matter. That is why it doesn’t make sense to forge a document, but it DOES make sense to hide the ORIGINAL APPLICATION for documents. These COLBs that say ACCEPTED, would reflect that as well. The numbers out of sequence might reflect a time span from when the Nordyke twins were born, and when obama’s mother made APPLICATION for a certificate. Other children could have been born between the twins and when she applied. We don’t know that. It could have been days, even weeks.
Thanks, that’s relevant info.
Was Freeper Danae a hospital birth? In a Hawaiian hospital or a military hospital? I wouldn’t assume that the state handled administratively differently information submitted by a local hospital versus a military hospital, but it is possible. I was born in a military hospital that was later certified to a civilian authority.
See #63
Hi there. I was born in the Kaiser Foundation Hospital otherwise known as Queens on August 7th 1969.
I wasn’t born in a military hospital. My dad had served in the Navy and gotten out in Hawaii. My mom vacationed there and they met. The rest is history.
Accepted vs Filed...always more questions than answers.
Regarding the Application for Certificate of Hawaiian Birth:
Is that all it takes? Just a bunch of silly questions and BAM, you’re a citizen?
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" ... his foreign exchange credits at Harvard"
I just noticed that Patricia DeCosta's mother, Rose Long Lew, is listed as Caucasian Hawaiian. However, her Standard Certificate of Marriage lists her race as Chinese (as I would have guessed from her name).
So, I guess the lesson is, don't expect accuracy and consistency out of vital records bureaucrats, and don't automatically jump to conspiratorial conclusions over random glitches.
Thanks for the info.
So we are left with the “filed” vs “accepted” form distinction remaining something of a mystery.
On another thread, I posted that the day obama’s grandmother died, the day before election day, the Hawaiian Legistaure had a flurry of revisions, all for birth certiciates, and ONE that changed what documents could be made public AFTER a person dies.
On Novemer 3, 2008, they revised 13 Birth Certificate statutes before 9:00 AM. It stinks to high heaven.
oops. certificates
I read your post and followed the link you provided! Very interesting. It was an amazing coinky dink don’tchaknow.
By the way, does your long-form certificate look similar in terms of fields and information to that of the Nordyke twin in post #19 above?
ALL of which explains the ACCEPTED versus FILED. It STILL doesn’t prove that obama is a natural born citizen. That is why the forgery stuff is a red herring. They would rather have people going after a “forgery” than the REAL problem which is even the COLB does NOT make him a natural born citizen. As long as they can keep us chasing a “forgery” we dilute the real issue...and they can sit back and keep this going indefinitely making us look crazier and crazier.
thanks, so I take it yours has a date stamp, a seal and folds?
And it states:
DATE FILED
Well, I’m no expert, but that suggests to me DATE FILED to be a copy of a previously ACCEPTED document.
What DATE FILED might mean in the case of the obama piece of paper I have no idea. Someone could have provided him with a blank that was passed through the dating machine...
I will tell you this much... Hawaii has got a freakin SERIOUS problem.
Based on the fact that Polarik has accused me of posting up a fake, along with MHGinTH, which I have most certainly not done(The assertion that I am capable of creating a forgery, or would even NEED to is insanity itself!), leads me to one conclusion, Hawaii has little control over the certificates it has produced over time, and this calls into question not only my COLB as is displayed by Polarik, but also the COLB of anyone who has ever gotten one.
I have the state sending me a receipt for mine, which is something I didn’t get when my mom sent me this in 2000.
But something tells me that MHGinTN is still going to be going off on his who defend polarik spheel, and polarik himself will again stay silent knowing that he has either made a mistake, or just run up against the simple fact that there is no one standard for a Hawaii COLB. There are differing versions for different order types, with differing versions over differing years... differing verbage on the form...
How many MORE inconsistencies are there going to be?
Who knows!
Does the State of Hawaii even KNOW how many versions of their COLB there have been?
I an beginning to wonder about that for real!
More than amazing. Look. I am not the “enemy” here. I am just saying that chasing a forgery that isn’t a forgery is wasted time and effort. The real problem is the coverup. I have been doing research and analysis for almost ever. Anyone who attempted to call polarik on his stuff was immediately suspect. There is SOOOO much wrong here. But forgery ain’t it.
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