Yes, one who have to be completely bonkers to believe that Obama, the media, kos, move-on, Du etc, all conspired to invent the birther movement so they could bring conservatives into it and paint them as nutty, and even bring in talk radio conservatives to help out. LOL!
Hey, those people think we are retards for not being liberal zombies. Whether it is BO's BC or GW worship, if we don't agree with them we are radical retards that need to be removed from circulation.
Trust me, they don't think we should just be silenced, we should be removed.
That’s not my read of this column. Steyn’s admitting there’s likely something on the BC he doesn’t want us to see, and as for him being born in Kenya - he’s basically saying its likely he was, because to think otherwise is so beyond the pale that its difficult to countenance.
In fact, he’s saying the real kooks are ones that think it was Obama that cooked the controversy up just to suck in conservatives.
Mark Steyn is a sensible man. Like man of us, he can’t help but see that the only reasons for Obama *not* to resolve the issue by publishing the certificate are (a) hiding something, or (b) being an *ssh*le.
What?? When??
“Idiots, retards,...” don’t forget to add ‘tinfoilers, nutz (must be spelled with a ‘z’), misguided, grassy knollers, and (ahem, thanks Ann) cranks.’
I am glad Mark Steyn is onboard and questioning The Birth as well...I would have been heartbroken if he had called any names.
Another great post, is there an actual ping list? I always have to ‘search?’
BIRTHERS? I had to show MY REAL certified birth certificate to get driver’s license. I had to show the kids’ birth certificates to get their passports. What is the Big Deal with Obama. What is he so fearful of??????
Certainly a reasonable motivation for the administration to encourage it.
Interesting.
Ant,
Tnx.
Steyn,
Thank you, Mr. Steyn.
Mark Steyn and Andy McCarthy make a Lot of sense on all this
Still I have another question :
Polarik(sp?) says the Certification of Birth that has been posted on line is a photoshop forgery.
Can we have more verification of this ? ....or can that be debunked?
I want more clarity
Mark Steyn just publicly slapped down his editors at National Review.
Here's a quote from an unsigned 28 July 2009 editorial at National Review Online that essentially claims there is no “Long Form” birth certificate to release:
“The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his “real” birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.”
Then here's Mark Steyn on 30 July 2009:
“But do I think there's something on the long-form birth certificate he doesn't want us to see? Yes. That would seem entirely likely — and consistent with [Obama’s] modus operandi.”
Perhaps there is still hope for saving National Review from the Centrists and the Neo-Cons.
Mark actually isn’t a “birther”. But don’t let that stop you.
don’t you know that AUDACIOUS is what Saul Alinsy’s book is all about!!!! i.e., tell the biggest, outlandish lies, because nobdy will believe audacious lies, only small ones!!
I don’t know which country he was born in, either Indonesia or Kenya, only that when he spent over a million dollars to pay to have them hidden and keep them hidden, that means HE IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO SERVE!!
James writes:
Compounding the confusion, some rebuttals of the birthers’ claims have been based in part on misinformation. National Review, for example, asserts that it would not matter if the president had been born in a foreign country: “His mother was a native of Kansas, whose residents have been citizens of the United States for a very long time, and whose children are citizens of the United States as well.”
I must confess that when I read the quoted passage, I thought it was an irrelevant but harmless attempt at humor (the business about Kansas residents having been American citizens for a long time). Quite apart from James's complaint, which I'll get to in a second, the assertion was inaccurate on its face: Obviously, not all residents of Kansas are U.S. citizens -- many of them are aliens. (Technically, a resident is just one who resides in a place and is not necessarily a citizen thereof.) But this was an editorial, not a legal document, so no point getting hyper-technical.
Yet, it was an editorial about a legal matter, so some technicalities do matter. Under the law applicable at the time, it was utterly irrelevant whether Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen or, like Obama's father, a non-American. As far as Obama's eligibility to be president is concerned, it is Hawaii or the highway: If he was not physically born in the U.S., he cannot qualify as a "natural born" citizen. I assumed that was pretty common knowledge, even if the legal reasons why it is so are not well understood. (Obama's mother was too young and hadn't fulfilled -- indeed, could not at that age fulfill -- the necessary conditions to pass U.S. citizenship to her child derivatively.)
Anyhow, I read the editorial as essentially saying: Obama was so clearly born in Hawaii that it's not even worth addressing any other possibilities. Rereading the passage James has highlighted, though, readers could certainly have taken us to be saying that, regardless of whether he was born in the U.S., Obama would still be a citizen because he is the son of a Kansan -- which isn't so.
Knowing how we operate around here, had it been our intention to make a derivative citizenship argument, I think you can rest assured that we would not have done it en passant. We'd have teed it up and then supported it with facts and law. But the passage is confusing, and since I'm supposed to be the hot-shot lawyer in this crowd, I plead guilty to being asleep at the switch.
Why? Mark Steyn clearly states
..."But do I think there's something on the long-form birth certificate he doesn't want us to see? Yes."
I make no assumptions as it to what on it...just that there no reason for Obama not to release it...
I am so sad. Mark Steyn was my hero, but he’s not as brave as I thought he was.
And that’s what it is people, it’s bravery. It’s a fear of being lumped into a group that is being mocked and more and more conservatives have jumped on the ‘Those are the loons’ bandwagon.
“As for the alleged “kookiness” of birthers, a true conspiracy theorist would surely believe that Obama deliberately started the birth-certificate business in order to make it easier to dismiss his opponents as deranged.”
Don’t think that thought hasn’t crossed our mind.