Posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
So... If we can't ask about Obama's birth certificate without being dismissed as nutjob, tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists, can we ask a few other questions without being maligned solely through the use of childish name calling, silly syllogism and sorry sophistry?
Ok. So let's forget the birth certificate for a moment and ask Mr. Obama a couple of other questions...or are we still allowed to do that?
* Kindergarten records (not even a kindergarten record?)
* Punahou school records
* Occidental College records
* Columbia University records
* Columbia thesis
* Harvard Law School records
* Harvard Law Review articles
* scholarly articles from the University of Chicago
* passport
* medical records
* files from his years as an Illinois state senator
* Illinois State Bar Association records
* baptism records, if any
* adoption records
All missing or otherwise unavilable.
There is no American birth certificate for Obama. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. A COLB is not an original, legal, birth certificate, nor is an ad in the lifestyle section of a local newspaper considered to be a legal birth certificate. Public statements by politicians and bureacrats are not legal birth certificates. Although such things can be considered as evidence, they are not proof. They are hearsay evidence, only. (In fact, Mr. Obama's sister, Maya Soetoro, has a Hawaiian COLB and she was born in Indonesia.)
The COLB from Hawaii is the same document that journalists and activists from both sides, as well as bureaucrats and politicians across the nation are offering as primary support of assertions that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen of the U.S. If, in fact, he is a legal citizen, it does notnecessarily follow that he is a natural-born citizen. There is a difference. Follow-up question regarding his mother's citizenship status are also valid and do not require a tinfoil hat or a mental illness in order to ask them.
In view of other evidences, in view of his personal and business associations, and in view of Mr. Obama's apparently missing or hidden background and resume, the question about his birth certificate remains valid. In fact, it is the most important question of all.
Assuming there is no legal birth certificate (and at this point in time and in view of the lack of an original birth certificate, it can only be assumed that there isn't one), this means that the Electoral College never verified his eligibility before they voted for him. It means that FEC never verified his eligibility. It means that the DNC never verified his eligibility. It means that the state legislatures and state governors who signed off on the results of the Electoral College never verified his eligibility. It means that the House and Senate never verified his eligibility. 'Eligibility' meaning, in this case, that no one has actually *seen* an original, legal, 'long form' American birth certificate for Mr. Obama.
In all, it means that The Constitution has been effectively nullified either thorough incompetence or by corruption at every step of the political process. It means that American social and political contracts are completely broken down. This is why the question is so important.
The question remains valid. Where is the - original - birth certificate?
Conspiracy theories, tinfoil hats, mental illness and even rascism are not a requirement for asking such questions. In fact, such accusations against innocent Americans who are simply asking questions of their leadership tell us something about American discourse and freedom that should send shivers down your spines.
For the judicial system at all levels to declare that any American citizen has no standing to file a suit requesting to verify any elected official's qualifications says other things about America that should give you pause.
see also: http://obamaism.blogspot.com/
I'm aware of that case, and choose to avoid you in dialog. Good day.
Yours too so I will repeat it. What do you mean by proved? A Dan Rather CBS National Guard type document?
Simple answer, that would be a disaster as the other one was in 2004 except now Obama IS already president which puts it in “Bush planned Sept 11” crackpot territory..
No one cares(but MSNBC) where he was born . You are a tree branch falling in the woods thousands of miles from anyone.
I don’t know why he gets away with hiding all these documents. He isn’t being transparent, is he?
Part of the reason is that many of the people asking for the documents are unhinged. The very idea that the documents would somehow prove a birth anywhere other than Hawaii is absurd. Thus when people demanding documents go around saying they suspect he was born in Kenya, sane people dismiss them.
He isn’t being transparent, is he?
No, and that's a legitimate campaign issue (though until 2012 it's a bit moot). Too bad all the birther nonsense distracted people from it when it might have made a difference.
So rather than focusing your attention on trashing “birthers”, why not take up the issue of his long list of hidden documents. As Rush is saying right now, we have a president who doesn’t want to tell us who he is.
Like a typical birther, you just ignore any evidence that knocks down your fantasy. Have fun.
You are the one that magically made me a "birther" by putting words in my mouth. Nothing I stated in my original post suggests that Obama is legit or not. I even stated "If he is ineligible...". I made it very obvious what I would want happen if a President is to have been proven to be ineligible for office. It could be Obama, or a right-wing conservative Republican President, it doesn't matter to me. I want the law upheld.
It's you who can't answer a very simple question? To whit -- What would you want to happen if it is proven that a President is ineligible for office? Don't mention what you think may happen, what party it hurts, etc. What would you want to happen?
How do you know where Mr. Obama was born? Are you with the so-called "non-partisan" FactCheck.org that is funded by the same group that employed admitted terrorist and communist Professor Bill Ayers and his friend Barack Obama? They claim to have "seen, touched and felt" his birth certificate, but even the Hawaiian bureaucrats won't say who Mr. Obama's father is, which hospital he was born in or why they feel he's a natural born citizen. Don't you find that odd?
Because the Hawaii Department of Public Health has officially confirmed it.
Good point. I'm spending way too much time on this.
You do realize that he is considered their "native son" and that Hawaii is majority Democrat and has been since statehood? That's almost like asking Mayor Daley's office for information on Mr. Obama and taking whatever they say as Gospel. But you are bound & determined to believe them, because it would be "racist" and un-PC to believe that a Chicago machine pol/community organizer could pull a fast one on the American people, with the help of communists, ACORN, LaRaza, the Black Panthers, unions and assorted other goons and thugs. Birds of a feather, and all that. But you keep calling us whacked-out "birthers" and we'll keep collecting evidence that this guy is not who he says he is, and is probably not even a citizen, much less a natural born citizen! When the rioters break down your door, you show them these threads to prove that you were on their side from jump street.
Right. The state is so solidily Democrat, that it's got a Republican governor./sarcasm
I have not bought it all. But I an going to operate like they are being truthful so that I can get down to the truth without being called a looney. Although they will still call me that to a degree, I know.
Even if I say, I believe whole-heartedly, 100%, with no doubt that he is an NBC (and I don’t). We still have plenty of reason to keep digging for the long form and ALL birth certificates to be released.
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New York City has a "Republican" mayor (and he's not the first, by any means). Arkansas, California, New Jersey and New York State have had more than one "Republican" governor. Are you saying they are not all Democrat strongholds? A RINO is still considered a Republican, correct? Google Hawaii and you'll see that their congressional delegation has been almost purely Democrat since inclusion. Bzzzzt. Try again...
I wonder how many conman out there are following Obama's footsteps and are making homemade Hawaiian COLBs?
here is a good site about what we have on him so far:
here is a good site about what we have on him so far in case you haven’t seen it:
Dunno...But I have seen my share of forged college diplomas!!!
This "confirmation" means very little. It means that the electronically generated document that 0 claims is his "birth certificate" is based on another, older and original document that the state of Hawaii has in its possession, and that the information on the new electronic form has been taken from the older document.
What is that original document? The State of Hawaii says they are not allowed to divulge. Is it a long form birth certificate filled out by the attending physician at 0bama's birth in an Oahu hospital? If so, why hasn't it been released?
Or is it something else? If it is something else then it would prove that whatever his claims, Obama was not born in an Oahu hospital with a physician or midwife in attendance, because by law they are required to complete a long form birth certificate.
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