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On Birthers, Obama, Muslims, and More (birth certificate is a distraction)
Red State ^ | July 29, 2009 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 07/29/2009 7:02:37 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative

I’ve said for a long time now that the fixation on Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a distraction.

I think Barack Obama is a natural born American citizen because his mother was indisputably an American citizen. I think he meets the residency requirements. And I think that Justice Scalia himself would not throw the President out of office now that he has been sworn in.

The issue is moot.

Fixating on it now is wasting time, precious time, when there are other issues on which those with time on their hands can fixate.

Barack Obama not releasing his birth certificate fits a pattern of non-disclosure from the man.

Most notoriously, Barack Obama allowed is campaign to accept foreign donations, a matter that got passing mention from the Washington Post and not much else.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; citizenship; imom; mysteryman; obama; obroma
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Time to move on!

No. It is not time to move on...it is time to ratchet up the noise and keep asking... WHY??? ... he is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to lawyers to hide all his documents. Show them! Prove it! ...so we can move on. AND we won't move on until you prove it.

....It is what Alinsky would do.....attack, attack, attack....go from ALL angles...bring it up in the middle of his health care diatribe. Bring it up when he is talking on foreign policy. EVERY DAY. It undermines him and his credibility....not that he has any with a lot of people...but it is the ignorant masses that will start wondering what he has to hide.....

81 posted on 07/29/2009 8:42:27 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: missnry

I want to know how his credentials for a passport were allowed. The fact that Secretary Clinton is in charge makes me suspicious.


82 posted on 07/29/2009 8:46:56 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Non-Sequitur; ansel12
This probably gets asked all the time but which document did Obama use to get his passport when he was a young man?

Proof of citizenship. Birth certificate, naturalization papers, consular report of birth abroad, or certificate of ctizenship.

He did not get a U.S. passport until he became a U.S. Senator in 2004 because he DOES NOT HAVE A U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE. He got a U.S. passport as a U.S. Senator, because the good ol boys socialist network of the U.S. Senate could not very well have a non-U.S. citizen in as senator, right. His passport application & approval was greenlighted & rushed through, just as John Kerry's dishonorable discharge was changed to honorable discharge, after he became a U.S. senator

When B Hussein Obama traveled as a young man in 1980-81 to Kenya, Pakistan, India & Indonesia, he traveled under a non-U.S. passport (most likely Indonesian since he became an Indonesian citizen under his adoptive Indonesian father), and Pakistan at that did not allow visitors to their country with U.S. passports. Obozo also enrolled at Occidental College as a non U.S. citizen, in order to obtain tuition assistance as a foreign national. When he was accepted to Columbia University and then to Harvard University with most likely financial assistance from Iraqi Khalid Monsour, he then began to portray himself as a U.S. citizen during this time. During the 2008 campaign season, if you recall, the U.S. passport office was broken into and records rifled of Hillary Clinton, John McCain & B Hussein Obama. However only the records of B Hussein Obama were stolen, and later we find out the security firm that did the break-in was owned by a close friend of Obama. Finally the key witness in the break-in case was shot & killed several months ago while in his car, outside his Washington DC apartment. I think he was gunned down intentionally in order to remove the chief key witness and let this case die on the vine.

83 posted on 07/29/2009 8:47:05 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: celtic gal

You raise a good point. Hilary could have hammered the lack of information about Obama’s real life, as opposed to his version of it, but she pulled her punches. Why?


84 posted on 07/29/2009 9:12:46 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: savagesusie
Yes, I agree...it's time to Move On -- move on over to Red State with our message. It's working, people are listening, as they always do when they hear the truth. But as always, the real truth-tellers will be the first to pay the price at Red State. Be prepared to be thrown off within a few postings, as I was when I brought this topic up...but there are plenty of good people over there who will listen to you and they, too, will make up their own minds and join our fight to protect and defend our Constitution.

ex animo

davidfarrar

85 posted on 07/29/2009 9:14:02 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
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To: RobbyS

She too had many, many skeletons in the closet. She didn’t want to get into a slugfest with Obama and cause both to lose, which would have been the inevitable outcome of such an act.

ex animo
davidfarrar


86 posted on 07/29/2009 9:16:55 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
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To: rcrngroup

Regarding his passport, the State Department may have been willing to accept the COLB that was posted. But it is a fair question what passports he used in trips abroad. IAC. no other president has every had such a tenuous connection with the United States. His mother left the country within five years of giving birth to him and married an another alien. He returned to be raise by grandparents in what is a backwater of American culture. He did not settle into
American society proper until he went to Chicago, and there married into the black community. Whatever his legal status, he is very much the immigrant.


87 posted on 07/29/2009 9:27:53 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: DavidFarrar

Good points.


88 posted on 07/29/2009 9:29:36 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I hate when someone is clearly in the wrong and people start clamoring for everyone to just move on. This a very important Constitutional matter and it would best for the Supreme Court to rule on it. Someone’s opinion about what Scalia might do is worthless and asinine. The Court is there for reason, to rule on matters such as this. We didn’t rely on conjecture in Bush v Gore...


89 posted on 07/29/2009 9:35:09 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: BARLF

The damage is done. Whether he’s legit or not, the OFFICE of president installed all this socialism, not the fraud who’s acting as president.


90 posted on 07/29/2009 9:40:38 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (Thank you Mr. Robinson (toodamtall1@yahoo.com))
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To: RobbyS
I agree with your comments and especially He did not settle into American society proper until he went to Chicago, and there married into the black community. Whatever his legal status, he is very much the immigrant

However regarding any other travels outside the U.S., other than his travels to Kenya, Indonesia, Pakistan & India in 1981, I am not aware of any other trips that 0bama took outside the U.S., again most likely because he did not have any passport, as he could no longer very well use an Indonesian passport (most likely expired by now) while trying to pass himself off as a U.S. citizen. And he did not have an appropriate birth certificate that would show him as a U.S. citizen and most likely used the altered & fraudulent COLB document. My understanding is the B Hussein 0bama did not get a U.S. passport until he was elected as U.S. senator in 2004. At that time his passport application was greenlighted and expedited in order for him to finally have a U.S. passport allowing him to travel outside the country now as an "alleged citizen" and U.S. senator. I believe the reason the U.S. passport office was broken into, and only B Hussein 0bama's passport documentation was stolen, is to further suppress & hide the identity of B Hussein 0bama as a non-U.S. citizen, and most assuredly as a non-natural birth U.S. citizen.

91 posted on 07/29/2009 9:46:47 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: rcrngroup

Barak went to Indonesia to hang out, IIRC, while ‘he finished his autobiography’ ... Had to have a passport from somewhere.


92 posted on 07/29/2009 9:50:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: rcrngroup
When B Hussein Obama traveled as a young man in 1980-81 to Kenya, Pakistan, India & Indonesia, he traveled under a non-U.S. passport (most likely Indonesian since he became an Indonesian citizen under his adoptive Indonesian father), and Pakistan at that did not allow visitors to their country with U.S. passports.

Travel to Pakistan was no big deal. Just another third-world rathole receiving US aid.

1981 State Department travel advisory

Obozo also enrolled at Occidental College as a non U.S. citizen, in order to obtain tuition assistance as a foreign national.

Interesting. Got a link? What name did he enroll under?

93 posted on 07/29/2009 9:57:01 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: rcrngroup

My question is: Does the State departure accept a certificate of live birth issued by Hawaii? I know that when I presented the equivalent issued by the State of Texas, a card used to cross the border into Mexico, they would not accept it and demanded I present the “original birth certificate.” But maybe Hawaiian law gives the COLB the same validity as other forms of birth certificate. Given the number of US forces people who pass through,and the then (in 1961) recent territorial status of Hawaii, registration may have been be looser than in other states and the State has since simply lumped all together in the interests of simplicity.


94 posted on 07/29/2009 9:58:57 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: cynwoody

My understanding is that those records are not available.


95 posted on 07/29/2009 10:00:28 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: cynwoody

My understanding is that those records are not available.


96 posted on 07/29/2009 10:00:36 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: cynwoody

He enrolled in Occidental College under the name of Barry Sotero, the name he used while attending school in Indonesia, and he would be eligible to receive financial aid as foreign national.


97 posted on 07/29/2009 10:06:31 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: St. Louis Conservative
In the world that was the US before some mysterious ray from outer space zapped us into a parallel universe the burden of proof would be on Obama. When I was young I wanted to be a firefighter. A requirement for the job was that the person had to be at 21-years-old. I had to provide proof that I met that requirement. I couldn't just show up and the civil service office, tell them I was 21 and then make them prove that I wasn't.

But that was then, and this is now. We live in a country that would be unrecognizable by the Founding Fathers. It bears on the slightest resemblance to the country they left for us to feed and care for.

I can't think of a single position where the applicant can claim to be eligible and it's up to the other party to prove that he or she isn't.

98 posted on 07/29/2009 10:08:32 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: RobbyS

My understanding is that Hawaii does not accept COLB as valid documentation, but as a reference point to some other form of official documentation. Not sure about the State department. I think that in any case, whatever the documentation was used for 0bama to get his U.S. passport in 2004 for the first time, was deliberately stolen from the U.S. passport break-in in Spring 2008, in order to suppress & hide whatever form of that documentation was given to the U.S. passport agency.


99 posted on 07/29/2009 10:12:28 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Let's MOVE ON on - we need all our energies focused on stopping ObamaCare and cap n' tax

Maybe you can't walk and chew gum, but there are a lot of people out there that think that the Constitution is more than a distraction.

If you think it is a distraction, then just quit posting articles like this and let those of us who are willing to accept the ridicule of Bill O'Reilly and YOU and the MSM and we will carry the water until that usurper in Chief finally shows us proof of his eligibility to be called the President of the United States.

Now why don't you MOVE ON and go play on one of the Cap n Trade threads. I'm sure you'll see some of us kooks over there too.

And just because you think this is a dead issue does not immunize you from being considered a kook. Anyone who disputes Obama's claims for the Cap N Trade, Health Care, Global Warming or anything else that Obama is hawking is going to be labeled a kook. Hopefully that includes you.

100 posted on 07/29/2009 11:50:35 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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