Posted on 07/29/2009 8:58:42 AM PDT by LS
Freepers: in preparing for radio shows and appearances, I need some information. Yes, it's here (someplace) on FR, usually buried in a myriad of links. So I'm asking your help to get some concise and clear answers on some "birther" issues:
1) Is there a difference between a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Birth Certificate?" If so, what are the specific differences, and can a non-U.S. citizen obtain either or both?
2) Was, or was not, Pakistan on the State Department's "banned travel" list when Obama went there. This has been asserted and denied. Can anyone provide a list of such states from "da gubment" on the date in question?
3) In the noise and confusion, I have heard that a) the Hawaiian records were destroyed in 2001 or 2002; that b) the birth certificate exists; or c) a copy of the birth certificate exists. Which is it?
4) Is such personal information on a public figure subject to FOIA? (I know, it would take years, even if it was, but just asking).
5) What officials have claimed to have actually seen this, and would they know what to look for (if they inspected it at all?)
Can you ping the list? I think between all of us, we can help him.
My biggest thing is the incorrect statements that no matter where Obama was born, he is a citizen. Even Natural Born.
He is not as his mother was not old enough to be eligible to transfer citizenship on her own and his father was not a US citizen.
what radio show so we can listen?
Thanks. I’d like to urge people to answer in your own words, not send me a bunch of links. I mean, the links are fine, but I’ll like some simple, direct Freeper analysis, which is ALWAYS superior.
No clue yet-—but these things come up constantly, and so far, I’ve just not “gone there.”
If 0be were really interested in demonstrating openness and transparency, he’d start handing out certified copies of his 1961 BC.
Wait, this is the first time I've heard this. I know of no requirement that the mother be of a certain age. What law is this?
IIRC Pissant seems to be following this pretty closely. They may have some good info.
I do not think there is a difference between those two you address, but there is a difference between CertificaTION of Live Birth (of which Obama's says) and CertifiCATE of live Birth.
In answer to #1- yes. Invite any radio show host to go try to obtain a passport or driver’s license with a COLB such as the one displayed by Daily KOS “proving” Obama’s birth. Ask why Obama’s half sister born in Jakarta has a COLB?
Ask why if this online COLB was proof of birth, the CinC’s legal team did not give a copy to the judge in court, instead of rescinding deployment orders for a US military officer bound for Afghanistan.
Good Luck.
And ask why the so-called Hawaiian newspaper birth annnouncment lists an address at which no obama or Dunham ever lived. Fact.
Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
—snippet—
In 1961 if a 17 year old American girl gave birth in a foreign country to a child whose father was not an American citizen, that child had no right to any American citizenship, let alone the “natural born” citizenship that qualifies someone for the Presidency under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.
“ 7 FAM 1133.2-2 Original Provisions and Amendments to Section 301
(CT:CON-204; 11-01-2007)
“a. Section 301 as Effective on December 24, 1952: When enacted in 1952, section 301 required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for ten years, including five after reaching the age of fourteen, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. The ten-year transmission requirement remained in effect from 12:01 a.m. EDT December 24, 1952, through midnight November 13, 1986, and still is applicable to persons born during that period.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697
The law that refers to is no longer in effect but it was the law in 1961. But it applies to children born outside the United States. Basically it meant that an unmarried woman under age 21 giving birth abroad and the father is not a citizen—that child does not automatically receive citizenship.
We suspect there are two documents on record, the original and an amended one, showing he was adopted by Soetero, and so the question is, has he now, and did he ever have, Indonesian citizenship? Did he renounce it? Did he travel to Indonesian and what passport did he use?
Wait, this is the first time I've heard this. I know of no requirement that the mother be of a certain age. What law is this?
It was the law of the State of Hawaii in 1961. It has since been changed, but it was not made retroactive. A mother who gave birth outside of the US with a foreigner as the father could only transfer citizenship if she had lived in the US for 5 years after she was 16 years old. Stanley Ann Dunham was only 19 at the time of Barack's birth, so she was not old enough.
I do not believe that that applied if the baby were born in Hawaii -- just if he were born in another country. But I'm not a lawyer and I don't even play one on TV.
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