Obama Filed for LATE Birth Certificate! (Maybe)

Is the State of Hawaii trying to help "birthers" by giving clues to Obama "late" birth certificate?

If you were born in the state of Hawaii but your birth was never registered there you can apply for a late registered birth certificate.

As provided by law (HRS §§338-15, 338-29.5), the following persons may apply for late registration:

* Any person born in Hawaii who is one year old or older and whose birth has not been previously registered in Hawaii, or that person’s parent, guardian, next of kin, or older person acting for that person and having knowledge of the facts of birth may request the registration of a late certificate of birth, except that an application will not be accepted for a deceased person.

Let's say you're 46 years old and were born in Hawaii...but for some reason never had your birth registered with Hawaii. You can apply for a late birth certificate by providing evidence that you were born in Hawaii. The acceptance of this evidence is a function of the department of health.

Note that you can have a Certification of Live Birth issued based upon evidence you provide. For all intents and purposes the state of Hawaii has now you issued you an original birth certificate...46 years after the fact.

Suppose for a moment that Barak Hussein Obama's birth was never registered in Hawaii...for whatever reason. Maybe his parents forgot because he was born at home. Maybe he was born in another state. Or another country. Whatever.

He of course has no birth certificate from Hawaii. So he applies for a late registered birth certificate sometime in 2007 or maybe 2008.

When he does that, by law, the state of Hawaii is affirming that he was born in Hawaii...despite there not being a long form birth certificate and despite there never being any record before.

Hawaii State Health Department director Chiyome Fukino M.D. has issued two press releases concerning Barak Obama's birth certificate. I'm sure most would agree that it's highly unusual for this to happen. Most "birthers" and most "anti-birthers" believe that she is helping Barak Obama by providing verification that he truly was born in Hawaii. But is she? Let's examine the two statements and compare them.

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. “No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”

For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063 STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

There are two thing that stand out. Statement 1 says "original birth certificate". Most birthers and anti-birthers believe this refers to an original, long form birth certificate. But it doesn't have to. If it were a late birth certificate filed for and created in 2007 then it would be the "original" birth certificate. Please note that it is ONE piece of paper.

Vital RECORDS...plural. Not vital record, as in A birth certificate. Records. Plural.

Now that's strange isn't it? Not so strange if the vital records are the evidence submitted by Obama to verify his birth in Hawaii.

Let me put it another way. Let's say I wasn't born in Hawaii, but I want a birth certificate from there. What would I do? I would apply for a LATE birth certificate. What evidence would I give? Why, I lived there for a number of years. My grandma signs a statement saying I was born there. I produce a letter I wrote to the Kapoliani center affirming my birth there. I appeal to a biography I wrote. And if it's good enough, they say "Ok, you were born here. We'll make you a Certification of Live Birth based upon the evidence you've given us.

But what if I'm fooling them? It doesn't matter. If they issue an original birth certificate based upon submitted evidence then they are affirming that he was born there.

But what if you worked in the Hawaii Department of Health and KNEW about this? You couldn't violate the law by saying it. So you usually carefully parsed statements designed to help investigators.

This explains the reactions of many of our political leaders. The state of Hawaii DID affirm that he was born there even though he may not have been born there! He could have been born in...oh say..Kenya...and since the state of Hawaii said he was born there, he was born there. The only way to prove otherwise is to FIND a birth record from somewhere else that is authentic and even then...well...it would be quite the court battle and would drag on for years. Politicians want to be elected. They don't want one issue hanging around their necks for years.

Have you noticed how loud and strident the anti-birthers have been for the last week or so? What if they KNEW that Fukino was going to issue a new statement, but didn't know exactly what was in the statement? They would of course want to decry and belittle the whole notion of "birthers" as crackpots so the statement wouldn't be examined closely.

But look at the statements. Is Fukino trying to tell us something? Is she giving hints about how to go about this?

2. He applied for a late registration birth certificate, possibly in 2006 or 2007...

How do we prove it? All we need to do is find out if the birth certificate on file is a LATE birth certificate.

If there is a LATE birth certificate issued then by law it must be stamped "late or altered"

§338-16 Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates. (a) Birth certificates registered one year or more after the date of birth, and certificates which have been altered after being filed with the department of health, shall contain the date of the late filing and the date of the alteration and be marked distinctly “late” or “altered”.

Remember the first statement by Fukino? She had seen the "original" certificate? She never verified that the certificate floating online was the "original". The original would be marked "late" or "altered".

What IF the blacked out area of the first image posted on the internet said "Late or altered"?

There may be a way to legally get this information. It might be as simple as asking the Hawaii department of health to verify that Barak Obamas Certification of Birth on file is a late registration.

Can’t the state of Hawaii (Fukino) state whether the floating COLB is a valid state document or a forgery? It was promoted as valid by the Bamster. Has anyone posed this question?

I don't know. I know that the various laws regarding privacy are pretty strict. I'm also pretty sure that unless she see's an actual paper copy and compares the certificate number to the one on file that she wouldn't know.

If she applied for a late birth certificate say a couple of days after arriving in Hawaii in early July 1961 for the Messiah, the notice in the newspaper could have been one of those standard things that was done in applying for the late BC, check Box “A” to have a short notice placed of baby’s birth in the local paper type of thing. Might have taken no effort at all and was probably a pretty standard thing.

I don't think momma ever applied for a late certificate. I think he didn't have one until relatively recently. But the end result is the same...whatever COLB he gets, if he has a late certificate, is supposed to be stamped "LATE". He (Obama) never claimed the COLB image floating around the internet as his so if it is a forgery he's insulated.

This is such a wacko family! With all of their ties to the communist party, you know they would have an underground network. Besides, the sister who was born in Jakarta has the same document. Since the mother was a American, it would not surprise me that the state of Hawaii would issue a Certificate of Life birth for her kids. Definitely a Jerry Springer family.

Don’t know if this has been posted. But it looks like Fukino made a decision that only the courts can make when she said obama is natural born. It seems to me Fukino can be taken to task over this decision that even the courts have not made.

Going on the supposition that she's trying to get the truth out without violating the law, I would say that this statement is an invitation to do exactly that. But I could be wrong.

The Canada angle really has me wondering. You are so right about travel in the early 60’s. I don’t know, as weird as they were, we have to think about what life was like in the 60’s, not now. I have a hard time believing that the Dunham’s would be fine with their 18 yr. old daughter leaving to Washington with a newborn alone to start school.

This is where I have my problem. While it may or may not be possible to prove or disprove that he was born in Hawaii, the official Obami story is that he was born in a hospital.

Well that's certainly the mythos. But I'm wondering if he's ever really said that or if that's kind of like a legend that he's let grown.

Right now, Obami is caught between a rock and a hard place. The Governor of Hawaii had made it known that she has squirreled away a copy of his long form from 7-8 months ago. Obami can’t release a phony long-form, because the Gov would call him on it. That’s why we are seeing a full-court press right now from the White House and the MSM. The “birther” movement is starting to pick up a little steam. Unless they manage to stop it right now, Obami will be caught in a cover-up.

Spot on. I think that's exactly what these statements are. Warnings to Obama hints to others. If Fukino was Obama's payroll why not just say in a statement "The COLB images on factcheck.org appears identical to the COLB on file in the state of Hawaii."

How does all of what you said fit in with the obvious forged “Certification of Live Birth” that was posted on fightthesmears and factcheck.org?

If it's a late or amended COLB it's supposed to be labeled with "Late" or "Amended" somewhere. If they did order a legitimate COLB from Hawaii then they couldn't post it as is because it would lead to questions about WHY it was a late registration. So I believe it has legitimate information on it because it's information supplied by obama himself! But it's a forgery because they had to remove certain information from it...like the "Late" designation.

I give this birther vanity a 6 / 10 for structure and readability, and a 3 / 10 for content and plausibility.

I was shooting for 8 or 9 on structure and readability but it was very late and I was in a rush.

As far as content and plausibility I tried to come up with a scenario that would fit facts and the actions taken by those involved...especially the statements by Fukino.

Don't you find it odd that Fukino would make ANY statement if it were so cut and dried as we're being led to believe? The reason, anti-birthers say, is to put to rest the rumors that Obama isn't qualified to be President. Yet every time she has made a statement it leads to even more questions. A clear cut statement such as "The COLB first posted on factcheck.org appears identical to the COLB on file for Barak Obama." Obama could authorize her to make such as statement. Yet she always vouches for what's ON FILE. NOT what Obama has released.

There was a news story yesterday about a lady in Hawaii who had twins born the day after Obama in the hospital that Obama was supposed to have been born in. She has long form birth certificates. The twins were not in the newspaper. This suggests that the paper announcements were fakes.

This will teach me not to operate a computer without sleep... I get this now. Very interesting. Still, there should be copies of this microfilm in numerous locations. Hard to change them all. If new ones were issued, there would be an institutional memory of this at libraries in Hawaii.

The birth could have been registered in Hawaii, either then or later when 0 was adopted by Soetoro.

It would also explain why no one can find evidence of a Hawaiian marriage and why there have been no eye witness accounts of a pregnant Ann in Hawaii.

It fits, but who knows?

Are there any Seattle/Vancouver area FReepers willing to do some digging in vital records?

Libraries yes, but how many copies of microfiche are there? Certainly not hundreds. More like probably 2 or 3 (just guessing). If they've put them on optical media then there's probably a master copy plus backups.

It's hard to say. But the most interesting question is why the twins don't show up in those papers birth announcements when they have evidence they were born just a day later.

It makes sense that the baby was born in the Seattle area, possibly British Columbia, after the parents sent Ann to a maternity home there months earlier, before she started “showing.” Explains why she was there with the baby in August and why she enrolled in U of W there that fall. The geography fits. The birth could have been registered in Hawaii, either then or later when 0 was adopted by Soetoro. It would also explain why no one can find evidence of a Hawaiian marriage and why there have been no eye witness accounts of a pregnant Ann in Hawaii. It fits, but who knows? Are there any Seattle/Vancouver area FReepers willing to do some digging in vital records?

This goes back to the main problem. There isn't concrete proof. In the absence of proof anything is possible. He oughta just come clean.

Of course he oughta just come clean.

But, Biden’s description aside, I don’t think Obama has ever been “clean” in his life. So it ain’t gonna happen unless someone else makes it happen.

These things are fed through readers. This means that each location has multiple copies and backups because the film is easily damaged. Any copy left laying around older than 3 or 4 years would be a smoking gun. Any copy not that old would be a smoking gun. This is easy enough to chase down.. if a Hawaii Freeper cares to do some Nancy Drew.

I don't know if any Hawaii freepers have done this. It sounds pretty simple. It would also be an interesting project to see how the online image of the supposed birth announcement came from...tracing who posted it first..etc. etc.

And note where the birth announcement appears in the list — at the very end of the August 4 announcements and the very beginning of the August 5 announcements. It is placed right where the Nordyke twin August 5 announcement would/could have been.

Yup. I wonder if that reporter in Hawaii who wrote the Nordyke story knew that if he presented their birth certificates that someone would figure out they weren't listed in the papers.

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