Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates

WND ^ | 7/28/09 | Jerome Corsi

[pissant]

Images of two 1961 Hawaii birth certificates similar to the one President Obama purportedly has on file have now been unveiled.

The Honolulu Advertiser published photostats of the original long-form birth certificates of twin daughters born to Eleanor Nordyke at Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital Aug. 5, 1961, one day after Obama was supposedly born at the same facility.

The Nordykes' certificates include information missing from the short-form document for Obama published online, including the name of the hospital, the name of the attending physician, name and address of the parents, the race of the parents and the race of the baby.

As WND reported yesterday, Hawaii's director of health responded to the growing controversy over the White House's refusal to release Obama's original long-form birth certificate by issuing a statement about the document in apparent contravention of Hawaiian law.

[binary]

The sequential integrity issue may not be an issue. The birth certificate number may very well depend on when the form was completed and turned in. When my daughter was born it took us 2 days to decide on a name. So we may not have had our form turned in until 2 days after other parents whose children were born a day or two after our daughter.

[Tennessee Nana]

Why are the hospital records not in play ???

[BP2]

[joejm65]

Think about the lineup: Beck, Bair (sp?), Dobbs, BOR, Hannity, Greta. Currently, FOX almost has more viewers than CNN, MSNBC, and Headline News combined. With Dobbs, FOX would become the ‘27 Yankees of cable news. This lineup would produce the sweet sound of liberal heads exploding on a daily basis. I could live with that.

[RummyChick]

I saw a COLB from a guy born in 1930 that had 1930 in the number. I think it was posted here today because someone has another theory about it. To test that theory we need to see someone elses COLB born around 1961. But I saw the 1930 one on the internet. I think it is the same COLB

[Frantzie]

unreal. This should be pinged to everyone. It is obvious but most people just glaze over because it is so simple.

[ctdonath2]

Nothing odd between those two pictures - IF you know anything about how BCs are handled now.

The information from the old form was dumped into a database. When you need a copy of your BC today, they print out the modern “certification”, which is legally equivalent to the old form. The old form is still locked away in a vault, but what you get is the new modern/standardized form.

Normal and legal. Don’t shoot the messenger.
Question now is: IS there an old form in a vault somewhere? or is the new form a fake, or the result of someone “gaming the system”?

[concerned about politics]

>§338-20.5 Adoption; foreign born persons.

(a) The department of health shall establish a Hawaii certificate of birth for a person born in a foreign country and for whom a final decree of adoption has been entered in a court of competent jurisdiction in Hawaii, when it receives the following:

(1) A properly certified copy of the adoption decree, or certified abstract thereof on a form approved by the department; and

(2) A copy of any investigatory report and recommendation which may have been prepared by the director of social services; and

(3) A report on a form to be approved by the department of health setting forth the following:

(A) Date of assumption of custody;

(B) Sex;

(C) Color or race;

(D) Approximate age of child;

(E) Name and address of the person or persons adopting said child;

(F) Name given to child by adoptive parent or parents;

(G) True or probable country of birth.

The true or probable country of birth shall be known as the place of birth, and the date of birth shall be determined by approximation. This report shall constitute an original certificate of birth; and

(4) A request that a new certificate of birth be established.

(b) After preparation of the new certificate of birth in the new name of the adopted person, the department of health shall seal and file the certified copy of the adoptive decree, the investigatory report and recommendation of the director of human services if any, the report constituting the original certificate of birth, and the request for a new certificate of birth. The sealed documents may be opened by the department only by an order of a court of record or when requested in accordance with section 578-14.5 or 578-15. The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued or for the adoptive parents. [L 1979, c 203, §3; am L 1990, c 338, §3]

This certificate is a short form.

[nkycincinnatikid]

mark

[tc45a]

I would imagine, that with only two hospitals; and the population in HI not being that dense, that BC would be pretty rare (a couple dozen a week). So...if a sloppy mistakes would be a little harder to explain away

Hospital paperwork mistakes are common. My Dad was in the hopital earlier this year and 3 paperwork mistakes were made in 4 days.

Don't jump on the gun regarding this number deal because no one here knows the procedures or lack of that created these BC number/date process. It's all speculation at this point.

[Eye of Unk]

I love it when a plan comes together.

[PennsylvaniaMom]

Oh I agree...we shouldn’t jump to conclusions...but, as I posted above, another inconsistency. I can understand that parents themselves may delay the filing (by not having a name ready). Again...just another speculation to discuss.

[concerned about politics]

PLEASE see post #68, and then go back and look at the birth certificate pictures you posted again. What do you see?

[Eye of Unk]

Did you hear about the aliens that have these huge ships parked over all the worlds major cities?

I guess not, the MSM is ignoring the rest of the world to protect the UN-qualified usurper.

[hercuroc]

Right-it could be a perfectly legit COLB.

The thing is it still doesn't prove citizenship-the details are in the long form.That's where we find out if he's for real.

[concerned about politics]

unreal. This should be pinged to everyone. It is obvious but most people just glaze over because it is so simple.

I've been trying to get peoples attention all day. I must have worked at least 4 threads, but no one caught on to what I was trying to show. Whew! Finally.

It was right in front of our faces all this time.

[bjcintennessee]

PIng

[668 - Neighbor of the Beast]

Agreed, the later serial number on the earlier date certificate doesn’t seem too strange. Different hospitals, wards or individual doctors could have each had a handful of blanks in a drawer, and took them as needed without worrying about number sequences. For example, every few days Doctors A and B take a handful of blanks and place them in their desk drawers. Doctor A’s drawer contains #21-24 and Doctor B’s drawer contains #25-28. On August 4, Doctor A doesn’t deliver any babies, but Doctor B uses #25. On August 5, Doctor A delivers #21 and 22. (Complicate this by many doctors, many birth locations, many babies, and you wonder that the numbers are as close as they are.)

[jwparkerjr]

But shouldn't the certificates issued from the same facility have numbers that are consecutive? Even if they were distributed to various facilities the bunch that each one received should have numbers all in a row. Unless there were a lot of children being born every day the certificates from two births a day apart should have just about the same number.

We aren't even certain the man we know as Barrack Obama is the same person that was born on that day in that place. I can show up with a birth certificate of someone about my age and pass myself off as that person with little difficulty.

Too many gaps in the resume of the man now occupying the oval office to be certain who he is, or what he's done.

[fhayek]

If BOHII's Certificate is a fake, someone else might have a birth certificate with the same number. Someone probably born on August 5th or 6th. It would be interesting if someone born on these days would go to their files and see what serial number is on their certificate.