Posted on 07/28/2009 1:43:09 PM PDT by libstripper
§338-5 Compulsory registration of births. Within the time prescribed by the department of health, a certificate of every birth shall be substantially completed and filed with the local agent of the department in the district in which the birth occurred, by the administrator or designated representative of the birthing facility, or physician, or midwife, or other legally authorized person in attendance at the birth; or if not so attended, by one of the parents.
The birth facility shall make available to the department appropriate medical records for the purpose of monitoring compliance with the provisions of this chapter. [L 1949, c 327, §9; RL 1955, §57-8; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-5; am L 1988, c 149, §1]
[Emphasis added in first paragraph.]
Question for all: At what point in the campaign process, for any office, is a candidate supposed to prove their eligibility to run for a desired office? When, Where, and to Whom does one prove that they are a natural born US Citizen to run for the office of President of the United States?
Thanks for the follow up photos. A smart journalist could become very famous by pursuing this lead.
IMO her motive was to get him registered as US citizen so she could collect govt check on him like she was with his sister.
Check out some of last nights threads.
The media would lose its Marxist Messiah and the illegal immigrants would have to wait more...unions, trial lawyers and community organizers would have to hold off on their agendas and Al Gore and Babs Boxer would have to wait to tax us more...
No way the powers that be would allow it...I would endeavor that someone may end up like the gay chorus director at Rev. Wright's church if they pursue this. StalinObama could start finding ways of Chicagocide, like his Democratic predecessor, Clinton.
Maybe someone was already killed over it
http://www.therightperspective.org/2009/07/24/security-breach-may-lead-to-obama-natural-born-status/
Has anyone tried to locate the children?
You got a link to that FReeper who has “Filed” instead of “Accepted”? Because every Hawaiian COLB image that I’ve seen say ‘Accepted’.
I provided a link to the other thread in post #26. The freeper is Danae.
It drives me nuts that so many people think that a "consensus" of belief can take the place of evidence. (Like in GWarming.)
Hey there, I am looking at my COLB and it says:
“DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR
August 14, 1969”
Please be aware that there are some Freepers that have called me into question, saying that they do not believe that the document I have is legitimate. It is legit. Just this afternoon I contacted the Hawai’i Department of Vital Statistics and am being sent a copy of the reciept for this COLB and the date it was ordered. Proving beyond a shadow of doubt in my mind that this the a document sent to my mother, and hence to me.
The reason it is being questioned is that though ordered in Feb 2000 it has a date stamp on it of Mar 6-2007, which should NOT be the case. It should state Mar 6-2000 the real date it was printed.
Post by PistolPaknMama
I have been researching this since the end of November when I discovered who owned the house which is listed in the birth announcement. The owner of the house was one Orland Scott Lefforge who died July 4, 2007 at the age of 91. His wife/companion Thelma Young died June 28,2008. Surprise, surprise.
It got interesting when I discovered he had a Phd and yet has many less hits on google than even I do!
The only thing I am waiting for at the moment is an email from the University of Hawaii at Manao advising me when he returned to teach there in the 60’s.
Below is a short bit of what I have been able to gather and again it has left me with many more questions than answers. (Seems to be a familiar story in all things Jr)
Orland Scott Lefforge born July 31,1915 in Pettisville, Ohio died July 4, 2007 in Kaiser Medical Center. He was a former Professor at University of Hawaii. He is survived by companion Thelma Young, son Daniel, daughters Andrea Harper and Mia Blake, brother Marian, three grandchildren and a great-grandchild. Services: 11 am next Saturday at the courtyard of George Hall, University of Hawaii at Manao. Casual attire.
Thelma Young
June 28,2008
Thelma Young, 91, of Honolulu died. She was born in Trenton, N.J. (nee Jones) She is survived by son Daniel Lefforge, daughters Andrea Harper and Mia Blake, three grandchildren and a great-grandchild. Private services.
Even trying to find information for the children as been frustrating! Birthdates for them are as follows:
Andrea 3/15/55
Mia 1959
Daniel 1960
There is a genealogy tree which indicates Andrea and Mia were adopted. Figuring it out Thelma would have been 43 when Daniel was born in 1960. Also Andrea would have been 6 years old in 1961 and would remember a woman and baby living in the yard. I have been unable to find much of anything on any of the three!
I was able to find that Orland graduated from Urbana High School in Indiana in 1932. He attended Manchester College in Indiana and graduated from there in 1936. From there he attended University of Wisconsin at Madison during the years 1936 to 1940 when he received his Master’s in Speech.(now known as Communication) I discovered this fact quite by chance when I came across a hit for him and the name of his thesis “Daniel W. Voorhees: Indiana Orator” which appears in a compilation along with works by others. I also received verification from UW at Madison that he received his Master’s in 1940.
Then it gets interesting. Ancestry.com has Orland Lefforge registering in the army in 1941, but the information listed is confusing.
Ancestry.com
U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records
Name: Orland Scott Lefforge
Birth Year: 1915
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: Ohio
State: Indiana
County or City: Wabash
Enlistment Date: 15 Jul 1941
Enlistment State: Indiana
Enlistment City: Fort Benjamin Harrison
Branch: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
Branch Code: Branch Immateria - Warrant Officers, USA
Grade: Private
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source:Civil Life
Education: 4 years college
Civil Occupation: Teacher
Marital Status: Single, without dependents
Height: 74
Weight: 159
Now here is where it gets very interesting aside from the fact that he actually had 8 years of college and a master’s degree by the time he enlisted in 1941. I decided to google his daughter as “Andrea Lefforge Harper” and found that in April 9, 1942 he attended Officer Candidate School at Ft Sill. He graduated from OCS on June 30,1942 and no further information can be found regarding his military service. Why was this information not found when googling his name but was found when googling his daughter’s name?
He taught at Manchester College in the Speech Department for the years 1946-47 and 1947-48 before teaching at the University of Hawaii at Manoa for the years 1948-49 and 1949-50. By 1950 he is back at the University of Wisconsin with his wife the former Thelma Jones of Trenton, N.J.
From “The Capital Times” 9/27/1950 Madison WI
“University Posts and Regional Positions Bring New Families Here”
“After teaching two years at the University of Honolulu, Hawaii, Orland Lefforge and Mrs Lefforge are now living at 42 Corry St. while he is studying for his doctorate at the university.”
Wisconsin State Journal 4/9/1951
Madison News Items in Brief
Debate at U.W.
“Two University of Hawaii students will debate with Wisconsin students at 8 pm Tuesday in the Agricultural hall auditorium on the subject “Resolved: That Hawaii Should be a Commonwealth”
Masaru Funa and Shunichi Kaimura will be the affirmative speakers from the University of Hawaii. Their coach is Henry L. Ewbank, son of speech Prof Henry L. Ewbank, Sr., at the University of Wisconsin. Negative speakers from Wisconsin will be Robert Hayes, Chetak and Richard Karson, West Bend. Moderator for the debate will be Orland Lefforge, former Hawaiian coach and now a student here.
I received confirmation from UW at Madison that Orland Lefforge was granted his Phd in Speech in 1953. From 1953 he seems to disappear. He and his wife Thelma and children were the owners of 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy in 1961 and I am awaiting word from UH at Manoa as to when he returned to teach there. Something which just struck me this weekend was the interview “The Honolulu Advertiser” did with Nani Smethurst, the present owner of the address. She has the paperwork for the house and yet she didn’t recognize the Dunham name. As an archictect she would recognize the name and yet she didn’t, because the Lefforges owned the home, not the Dunhams.
From a blurb in another paper Lefforge didn’t teach for all that long at UH.
April 9, 1967 Cedar Rapids Gazette
“Washington Notebook”
“Orland Lefforge, Henry Giugni and Jack Teehan, running close to deadline for a reception for senate staff assistants, couldn’t find a cab.
They bummed a ride with a fellow in the office who was on his way home.
At the White House gate, the attendant asked the three, “Will your driver be coming back later or shall I show him where to wait?”
Which broke up everybody in the car.
At the wheel was the trio’s boss, Sen Daniel K. Inouye (D- Hawaii)”
In 1971 Orland Lefforge is listed as the author of “Inservice Training as an Instrument of Change” found at the Education Resources Information Center. He was also later an an administrator at the UH Community College Office, as well as a member of the Osher Institute. He gave donations to various institutions including Manchester College, an organization to help abused women, and an organization to assist homeless teens and juvenile delinquents. From all indications he and Thelma divorced at some point and he married again to a woman named Elaine b.1921 d. 12/27/1995. Thelma also remarried which explains the last name of Young. At some point both second spouses died and Orland and Thelma got back together again and remained together until his death. There were a number of real estate transactions with Orland and Thelma and Orland and Elaine which are confusing to follow. As I said I am still waiting to find out when he returned to teach at UH but it is definite he and Thelma and their three children were living at the birth announcement house in 1961.
OK, so what is the difference between Filed v. Accepted?
Thanks , got it.
Most likely just a document version difference is my guess. Thats just a guess.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2150358/posts?page=5#29
Also Polarik posted this: And here's Themla's obit two listed weeks before Orland's:
THELMA YOUNG, 91, of Honolulu, died June 28, 2008. Born in Trenton, N.J. Survived by son, Daniel Lefforge; daughters, Andrea Harper and Mia Blake; three grandchildren; one great-grandson. Private service held. Arrangements by Nuuanu Memorial Park & Mortuary.
She could have gotten him into Hawaii on the basis of Kenyan birth records and a British passport, then registered him in Hawaii as born in Hawaii. Given the hundreds of thousands of people going in and out of Hawaii then and now, it's very unlikely any immigration records for infants were kept to cross check against parents' birth declarations for infants not born at birthing centers. If any Freeper has any information about Hawaiian procedures at that time, please post it for comment. We need to smoke this whole thing out and I'm open to well documented adverse comments.
I doubt either she or they would have had the foresight to believe he'd run for president; indeed that's basically a straw men. However, the benefits of being a natural born American are vstly greater than the benefits of being a Kenyan citizen, or even a Brit. Having normal affection for their offspring, all of the leftist Dunhams would have been ecstatic to perpetrate this anti-American fraud.
GREAT POINT!! Shows how she got him into the US without any contradictory paper work.
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