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Contempt and the GOP [RINOs loathing social conservatives, Palin]
The Washington Times ^ | 2009-07-26

Posted on 07/25/2009 11:40:35 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

Can this political marriage be saved?

BY GARY BAUER

Psychologists have discovered that the most important factor in predicting whether a marriage will succeed or fail is the existence of contempt. When one or both partners display contempt -- the intense feeling or attitude of regarding someone or something as inferior -- the union, ultimately and almost inevitably, will fail.

Psychologist John Gottman has even developed a methodology that enables him to predict divorce with an astonishingly high degree of accuracy, up to 90 percent. While watching a couple interact, Mr. Gottman looks for the subtle signs -- microexpressions such as an eye roll or a patronizing tone -- that reveal not just displeasure or disapproval, but also the hostile inflexibility that is a hallmark of contempt.

As a political analyst and Republican of more than 30 years, I am saddened to say this, but contempt has contaminated the Republican Party. And much of the contempt has been directed at one partner in the party's marriage, religious conservatives. If the Republican partnership is to survive, the contempt must end.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
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To: LowCountryJoe

So you do want the federal government to restrict and limit homosexuals and their practices in the military?

That 8% “gay” military?


101 posted on 07/26/2009 9:59:22 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: 4rcane

You aren’t a crusader. Good enough for me. I’m anti-abortion too, but there’s not much we can do about it.


102 posted on 07/26/2009 10:49:12 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Luke21; 4rcane

4rcane is pro-abortion, what made you think that he wasn’t?


103 posted on 07/26/2009 11:30:11 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12
So you do want the federal government to restrict and limit homosexuals and their practices in the military? I think that the "don't ask, don't tell" policy works effectively. I do not think that homosexual service members should be allowed to serve with their sexual preferences revealed; I believe that that should be grounds for being discharged from duty. I do not believe, however, that homosexual service members should be targeted for investigation just because someone else suspects that they may be gay or lesbian - perhaps by a seemingly hostile anti-homosexual crusader such as yourself. If I mischarachterize you, please set the record 'straight' for me: your language ["your types"] leads me to believe that you have some fairly strong and intolerant views on this topic.
104 posted on 07/26/2009 11:38:48 AM PDT by LowCountryJoe (Do class-warfare and disdain of laissez-faire have their places in today's GOP?)
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To: LowCountryJoe
Was that a yes to this question?

So you do want the federal government to restrict and limit homosexuals and their practices in the military?

That 8% “gay” military?

105 posted on 07/26/2009 12:11:27 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12

In post #99, I asked you a question that you have yet to answer. Answer that, and I’ll provide you with a clear-cut answer for your most recent question since your level of reading comprehension missed it.


106 posted on 07/26/2009 12:18:43 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (Do class-warfare and disdain of laissez-faire have their places in today's GOP?)
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To: ansel12

As you were! That’s post 100 that I asked you what you meant by “your types”. Answer that, please.


107 posted on 07/26/2009 12:20:09 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (Do class-warfare and disdain of laissez-faire have their places in today's GOP?)
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To: LowCountryJoe

I guess we have to assume that you want to use federal power to go toward blocking homosexual freedoms in the military to protect the military from the damage that the gay culture would bring to it and it’s “8% Gay” members.


108 posted on 07/26/2009 12:34:56 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12

Noted, thanks!


109 posted on 07/26/2009 12:41:49 PM PDT by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: ansel12
Your right. Now this isn't meant to bash Romney or his supporters, but if you go on YouTube and watch all of the videos showing his multiple changes of positions on important issues over the years, some of his "not so great" media interviews, and his lackluster performance in the GOP primary debates I would say Romney has some vulnerabilities that could be really devastating if the media and the Democrats choose to exploit them, which we know they will if he's the GOP nominee.

Palin is an imperfect human being with flaws, but so is Romney, Jindal, Gingrich, Huckabee, and who ever else will seek the GOP nomination. At this point I don't see any potential GOP candidate that can generate the huge crowds and media hype that Sarah does when she speaks or appears at rallies and media events.

The eliets may look down their noses at Sarah but can their perfect Havard or Yale educated candidates attract thousands of supporters at a rally like she can? I think not.

110 posted on 07/26/2009 12:43:34 PM PDT by Victory Rocks (Sarah Palin, 2012!)
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To: MaggieCarta
From the article (which I finally decided to read):
Some have argued that the Republican partnership never was a love marriage, but rather a marriage of convenience, a coalition born of the need to counteract decades of Democratic dominance. Call me a romantic, but I don't believe that is so.

I do. (giggle--a sort of little joke there, since the article is discussing "political marriages") But, I do believe it. I still say that there is simply a loosely connected collection of voters who, for whatever reasons, do not want to vote third party and will not vote for the dims.

111 posted on 07/26/2009 12:53:00 PM PDT by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: ansel12

Over the years, I’ve been called a “loserdopian” on this very board more times than I can count — merely because I support getting the feds out of the drug war, except as it directly relates to interstate commerce.

Anti-conservative forces try to convince social conservatives that small government/libertarian conservatives are mostly leftist libertines out to destry everything they hold sacred. At the same time they try to convince small gov/libertarian conservatives that social conservatives are out-of-touch, fascist zealots.

Neither is true, but it sure helps the statist Romneys, Bushes, Huckabees, etc. of the world to pit us all against each other.


112 posted on 07/26/2009 1:12:59 PM PDT by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: rabscuttle385

“If the Republican partnership is to survive, the contempt must end.”

I agree -— TOTALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


113 posted on 07/26/2009 1:18:33 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: ansel12
Correct -- blocking the full freedom of homosexuals to enlist/receive commission as openly homosexual service members and/or allow them to reveal their sexual prefernces if they were to manage to enlist/receive commission in the armed services! And it was important for you to know this opinion of mine because...?

Now, it's importnat for me to understand why you've used the term "your types" when refering to me (and others). Are you insinuating that I am homosexual with that language or are you basically labeling me (and others); which one?

Can you disprove my claim that I've read the article in the Navy Times that showed a survey that estimated that some 8% of the armed sevices were homosexual. I, unfortunately, cannot locate the article but do remember reading it -- it had a break-down percentage for each of the branches. Do you have any citations that the percentage is less than 8%?

114 posted on 07/26/2009 1:19:36 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (Do class-warfare and disdain of laissez-faire have their places in today's GOP?)
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To: ellery
Over the years, I’ve been called a “loserdopian” on this very board more times than I can count — merely because I support getting the feds out of the drug war, except as it directly relates to interstate commerce.

The thought of having to defend liberty -- at least liberty as a default position -- on a conservative message board is interesting, isn't it?

I was once called an uber-capitalist by a FReeper as though it was supposed to be a slur for me. I wore it as a badge of honor. And then any time I saw the guy in a debate where I took an opposing view, I linked-to or mentioned the post where he wrote it.

115 posted on 07/26/2009 1:24:42 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (Do class-warfare and disdain of laissez-faire have their places in today's GOP?)
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To: ansel12
or are you basically labeling me (and others); which one?

Should read: "or are you basically labeling me (and others) as homosexual sympathizers; which one?

116 posted on 07/26/2009 1:26:34 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (Do class-warfare and disdain of laissez-faire have their places in today's GOP?)
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To: LowCountryJoe

I wasn’t interested in learning so much about you or your opinions I thought is was a simple question. I just wanted to know if you would use federal power to oppress homosexual expression and liberty in the military.

You made the claim that the military is 8% homosexual which would make it more like a gay Club Med, you need to support such a ridiculous claim.

The you type thing goes back to posts like #51. Since the conservative movement is primarily a social conservative/religious people voter movement, your type is the anti-social conservative minority that still chooses to vote with social conservatives instead of the democrat party like most of your type do.


117 posted on 07/26/2009 1:32:21 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: LowCountryJoe
The thought of having to defend liberty -- at least liberty as a default position -- on a conservative message board is interesting, isn't it?

It sure is. The same thing goes here on FR about sex offender registries, or opposition to police tyranny, or capitalism -- the contempt from some FReepers is palpable.

The fact is, conservatives can't win national office without these three factions: social conservatives, small gov/libertarians, and defense hawks. And each faction is guilty of contempt toward the others. As a result, Romney, McCain, Bush, Huckabee, etc. run the party.

118 posted on 07/26/2009 1:32:41 PM PDT by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: ellery
And each faction is guilty of contempt toward the others.

I must admit, I have a certain degree of contempt for those conservatives that distrust market outcomes, defend government entitlements, and champion their sanctimonous moral convictions be 'solved' at the federal level.

119 posted on 07/26/2009 1:38:25 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (Do class-warfare and disdain of laissez-faire have their places in today's GOP?)
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To: ellery

A big difference is that a typical socon is a typical conservative of the same type that we have had since the beginning, he is the whole package and he is the majority of the conservative movement and tradition.

There is a modern branch of self described “conservatives” that are actually against it but they do like it’s economics so they have tried to make war against the conservatives, it is not the socons that are trying to stop anything, socons are fighting and voting for all three, Americanism, strong defense and conservative economics and low taxes.


120 posted on 07/26/2009 1:52:06 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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