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James Carville Wrongly Frames the Evolution Debate as a Democrat vs. Republican Issue
Evolution News & Views ^ | July 24, 2009 | Casey Luskin

Posted on 07/24/2009 11:23:21 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

In a recent post, I explained how James Carville’s new book, 40 More Years: How the Democrats will Rule the Next Generation, badly misrepresents intelligent design (ID) as merely a negative argument against evolution. Carville somehow failed to notice that the passage he quoted from our Briefing Packet for Educators made an entirely positive argument for design. But Carville, a longtime Democratic strategist, has a game plan and he’s not going to let the facts get in his way.

The point of Carville’s chapter on evolution is to turn the debate into a club that he can wield in his war against Republicans. Not one to shy away from a rhetorical flourish, Carville writes: “the so-called debate over evolution boils down to the Republicans invisible-angel theory of gravity against the Democrats’ 150 years of science and the U.S. Constitution position.” (pg. 93) Of course there’s plenty of credible scientific dissent from neo-Darwinian evolution. More interestingly, Carville’s book completely fails to recognize how members of his own party feel about the evolution debate. Polls show that self-described “liberals” and Democrats support academic freedom in evolution-education just as much as (and in some cases more than) self-described “conservatives” and Republicans!

For example, Mr. Carville would probably be horrified to learn that...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agenda; carville; catholic; christian; corruption; creation; democrats; evolution; intelligentdesign; jewish; judaism; moralabsolutes; republicans; science
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1 posted on 07/24/2009 11:23:26 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

James WHO?


2 posted on 07/24/2009 11:25:19 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Carville might to read up on his party's nominee for President in 1896, 1900, and 1908 if he thinks "Republicans" framed the creationist viewpoint.
3 posted on 07/24/2009 11:25:39 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

This is bad news for Charlie!


4 posted on 07/24/2009 11:25:59 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Hasn’t that been one of the hallmarks of the crevo debate here on FR? That it is us liberal (commie, God-denying homo loving kickers of small dogs) pushing evolution?


5 posted on 07/24/2009 11:26:05 AM PDT by dmz
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ummm..., what is Carville doing commenting on “Intelligent Design”... he is neither intelligent or derived from design, but simply an accidental accumulation of all the worst things you can find in a human being... LOL...


6 posted on 07/24/2009 11:27:45 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’m thinkin’ that were I to debate against evolution, I’d use Carville as an example.

Such logic belongs in a kindergarden.

Oh, forgot, we’re talkin’ the Clinton/Obamaloon folks here.


7 posted on 07/24/2009 11:28:14 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: GodGunsGuts
As with most political and socially contentious subjects, that is a loser's game.
Let the manipulator frame the debate, including underlying unstated assumptions, and you are engaging in a waste of time.

Of course it's necessary to respond, but not on his territory. Frame and post your own form of the subject matter.

Bottom line, best to not respond or even acknowledge their attempt.

8 posted on 07/24/2009 11:30:00 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: dmz

It would appear that the Dem party leadership is way out ahead of their base on this issue. It’s not looking good for the Temple of Darwin!


9 posted on 07/24/2009 11:31:16 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
RE : ”.. misrepresents intelligent design (ID) as merely a negative argument against evolution

Anyone reading your posts can see that is all it is.. Jeeze, I mean anyone can search posts by GodGunsGuts, try to keep the fiction somewhat plausable.

10 posted on 07/24/2009 11:36:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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“the so-called debate over evolution boils down to the Republicans invisible-angel theory of gravity against the Democrats’ 150 years of science and the U.S. Constitution position.”

So is he declaring the "invisible angel" Holy Ghost to be a myth and Christianity to be a lie?

Careful of those lightning bolts, James.

11 posted on 07/24/2009 11:38:17 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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“...the Democrats’ 150 years of science...”

Does that SCIENCE include racist Democrats' theories of eugenics and racial superiority?

12 posted on 07/24/2009 11:39:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
The deiphobic evolutionists, unfortunately have been hijacked by the pervert contingent of the political spectrum, solidly founded on the mistaken assumption that Faith and Reason are mutually exclusive.

Perhaps Mr. Carville might better learn the distinction by reading something that addresses his level of understanding: the defunct comic strip Calvin and Hobbes. My young daughter loved it as a child, no less than I did as an adult, with different levels of understanding.

Even the most famous atheist (whose name I can't recall) in a moment of intellectual weakness allowed for the possibility of intelligent design in the creation of the universe, albeit by every name possible short of the "G" word.

13 posted on 07/24/2009 11:40:55 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“James Carville Wrongly Frames the Evolution Debate as a Democrat vs. Republican Issue”

—Wow, I’ve always been fruitlessly attempting to argue against Creationists that the evolution debate is not a dem vs. rep issue. I should save this link for the future. heh


14 posted on 07/24/2009 11:43:19 AM PDT by goodusername
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To: Publius6961

“Even the most famous atheist (whose name I can’t recall) in a moment of intellectual weakness allowed for the possibility of intelligent design in the creation of the universe, albeit by every name possible short of the “G” word.”

—It’s intellectual weakness to allow for the possibility of being wrong? Wow


15 posted on 07/24/2009 11:47:05 AM PDT by goodusername
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To: GodGunsGuts

Carville has never followed an evolution vs creation debate here, has he?


16 posted on 07/24/2009 11:48:35 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Obamacare: all the efficiency of the DMV and all the compassion of the IRS.)
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To: Publius6961

I think you are referring to Anthony Flew. Although, I view his change of mind one of intellectual strength, not weakness.


17 posted on 07/24/2009 11:48:42 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Snakehead Knows! :o)


18 posted on 07/24/2009 11:52:37 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts

If we are here by evolution, throw out the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, disregard the founders as nutjobs. But, do remember, we then are all gods and anarchy will prevail. I will take anyone out that thinks he has a right to any aspect of my life, no one is supreme except me!


19 posted on 07/24/2009 11:56:23 AM PDT by PORD (People...Of Right Do (DoI))
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“If we are here by evolution, throw out the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, disregard the founders as nutjobs. But, do remember, we then are all gods and anarchy will prevail. I will take anyone out that thinks he has a right to any aspect of my life, no one is supreme except me!”

—Why would they be crazy? Because they weren’t evolutionists? What’s so crazy about not believing a theory before the theory existed?
And why would the Constitution be thrown out? If it isn’t thrown out for it’s blatant racism I don’t see why it’d be thrown out for not including a scientific theory that a) didn’t exist at the time and b) is irrelevant to the matter at hand.


20 posted on 07/24/2009 12:12:12 PM PDT by goodusername
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