Posted on 07/24/2009 2:58:46 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
A teacher's description of creationism as "superstitious nonsense" was ruled to violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment by a federal judge in a decision in C. F. et al. v. Capistrano Unified School District et al., issued on May 1, 2009. James Corbett, a twenty-year teacher at Capistrano Valley High School in Mission Viejo, California, was accused by a student, Chad Farnan, of "repeatedly promoting hostility toward Christians in class and advocating 'irreligion over religion' in violation of the First Amendment's establishment clause," according to the Orange County Register (May 1, 2009). "Farnan's lawsuit had cited more than 20 inflammatory statements attributed to Corbett, including 'Conservatives don't want women to avoid pregnancies -- that's interfering with God's work' and 'When you pray for divine intervention, you're hoping that the spaghetti monster will help you get what you want.'"
In his decision in the case, however, Judge James Selna of the United States District Court, Central District Court of California, identified only one of the statements as constitutionally impermissible...
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darwinian schoolteacher ping
Some people are in denial over the level of hostility towards Christians in our schools.
Some Christian parents are in denial over the level of hostility towards Christians in our schools. They should wake up and smell the coffee and if they are offended by teachers such as this buffoon, they should make other arrangements for their children’s education.
Not all of us are in denial over the level of hostility towards Christianity in public schools.
No. The solution is not to roll over and play dead. People like this need to be called on the carpet for their behavior, not allowed to let it continue.
There are many people who will pull their kids, but many who can't or won't and there's no reason their kids should have to put up with this kind of hostility.
The end result is that kids forced to be in the system through whatever circumstances, end up with a warped, brainwashed view of what Christianity is really all about.
Good find Ethan!
Private and home school is a great way to shield your kids from the liberal agenda. It's also a great way to empower the liberals in our schools.
If this is a battle, handing our children to the enemy to be taught day after day isn't fighting it. If it were, groups like the NEA wouldn't be fighting to force homeschooled children back into their school system. (The whole idea of "free" public education is marxist, anyway.)
Why don't the rest of you join us by enrolling your children into private or parochial schools or homeschooling. With a greater demand for private, Christian and/or Catholic schools, they might remain in business instead of closing due to a low number of students. Homeschool organizations, cooperatives, classes and activities have grown steadily through the years. But, with more of you homeschooling, there would be even more options for homeschoolers, too.
I understand why parents usually decide to send their children to public school. But, that's not fighting anything; that's joining it.
We have a winner!
Parents who have “made other arrangesments for their children’s education” have helped to embolded the liberals and their agenda. These parents not only fail to oppose the liberals, but they leave other conservative parents another man short in the battle.
Private and home school is a great way to shield your kids from the liberal agenda. It’s also a great way to empower the liberals in our schools. Ultimately, your kids will pay the price when they are vastly out-numbered at the ballot box by mindless fellow citizens - citizens who never heard opposing points of view in the public schools.
I have to agree.
Private and home school is a great way to shield your kids from the liberal agenda. It's also a great way to empower the liberals in our schools. Ultimately, your kids will pay the price when they are vastly out-numbered at the ballot box by mindless fellow citizens - citizens who never heard opposing points of view in the public schools.
No, I have to disagree. The liberal agenda and indoctrination was well underway by the time homeschooling really got off the ground. As a matter of fact, it played a significant role in people's decision to seek alternate education when they realized that they were getting nowhere in the fight against the NEA and its liberal agenda.
However, it is more than just liberal agenda that influences people to choose homeschooling. It's the unsafe environment, the poor quality of education, health reasons, special needs reasons, not having a normally active kid labeled as ADD/ADHA and medicated to keep him quiet in class to make the teachers job easier.
Children, especially grade school kids, just do not have what it takes to stand up to a bullying liberal agenda teacher and it's not their job to. It's the responsibility of the parents and most of them keep dropping the ball. And it should be the responsibility of the conservative teachers to speak out against their union.
We homeschooled because we lived in a lice infested, strep infested, drug ridden, community where incest and child abuse were rife and I knew several kids who I would have voted *Most likely to grow up and be a serial killer*. (and I am NOT kidding)
I felt no obligation to send my kids to that school where they would have been eaten alive by their classmates.
They did befriend many of the neighborhood kids and influence them for God and those kids are still following God, but it wasn't through sending them to school. It was through the social interaction they had the opportunity to engage in outside of school.
Right now, they're responsible, mature, very conservative adults who know what they believe and, more importantly, why they believe it. They're in far better position to influence others for conservatism than they would have been in grade school.
“Private and home school is a great way to shield your kids from the liberal agenda. It’s also a great way to empower the liberals in our schools. Ultimately, your kids will pay the price when they are vastly out-numbered at the ballot box by mindless fellow citizens - citizens who never heard opposing points of view in the public schools.”
I guess if I don’t mind sacrificing my children for the good of the whole, then that would be correct. However, I don’t figure God gave them to me for that. If they turn over their souls to the Public Education system then we all lose and there is no one left with the ability to lead... I guess what I’m saying is that, in theory this makes sense. In practice the results are devastating.
Come on folks... think it through a little.
Thanks for the ping!
I guess if I don’t mind sacrificing my children for the good of the whole, then that would be correct. However, I don’t figure God gave them to me for that. If they turn over their souls to the Public Education system then we all lose and there is no one left with the ability to lead... I guess what I’m saying is that, in theory this makes sense. In practice the results are devastating.
Come on folks... think it through a little.
I’ve thought it through pretty well...and frankly it’s simply not working out very well.
The godless public schools are indoctrinating the majority beyond the few minority that do homeschool and private school and the results are every bit as devastating...perhaps more so.
Millions of kids are still being indoctrinated and since the 70’s at that, so is it any surprise then that we’re in the shape we’re in today?
As I said, liberals need to be defeated everywhere and anywhere they’re encountered, because taking our ball and going home is merely a way to give them exactly what they want.
For instance, kids get home-schooled and then when they go to college, and then we see they’re getting sued because they “didn’t learn science right”.
You’ll have to confront liberals sooner or later, and in my mind the sooner the better!
Bad company corrupts good morals.
If the conservative, Godly influence of committed Christians was enough to stem the tide of liberalism in schools, the liberalism would not have got as entrenched as it did, and that was back inn the 60’s and 70’s when schools were much more conservative than they are now.
The statistics of children abandoning their faith after attending public schools are appalling and do not encourage sending those children to public schools.
I’ve personally seen very few Christian kids who attended public schools who are as committed CONSERVATIVE Christians as those who were homeschooled or private schooled.
“The godless public schools are indoctrinating the majority beyond the few minority that do homeschool and private school and the results are every bit as devastating...perhaps more so.
Millions of kids are still being indoctrinated and since the 70’s at that, so is it any surprise then that we’re in the shape we’re in today?
As I said, liberals need to be defeated everywhere and anywhere they’re encountered, because taking our ball and going home is merely a way to give them exactly what they want.
For instance, kids get home-schooled and then when they go to college, and then we see they’re getting sued because they “didn’t learn science right”.
You’ll have to confront liberals sooner or later, and in my mind the sooner the better!”
You either have no children, no heart or you’re clinically insane.
There’s no way you can say you believe the way you do about the public education system and that you think our children belong there. It’s like saying your 8 year old needs to participate in a cage fight with a pro wrestler because he’ll eventually get in a fight anyway. I’m not trying to be insulting but that’s just assinine!
Since your kids will eventually have sex why not take your six year old to a cat-house. Since they will eventually take an aspirin leave them in the house with crack-addicts.
And you say you’ve thought about this? I don’t give a flying flip what you think about evolution, this goes way beyond that. I better stop now...
Unforunately, if the teacher had been on the "other side" of the debate (a debate creationists claim they want) they would be applauding him.
“Bad company corrupts good morals”.
While this is certainly true alot of the time, I also think the reverse can be as well.
These liberal schools aren’t worse than many of the mission areas.
No child belongs there, at least not the worst ones, but to abandon any child there is what’s cruel. And of course our own children are currently going to a public school where people only put up with so much liberal crap here in Georgia, so I suppose it’s a bit relative.
The day may come soon when we are left with no choice, and frankly by their HS years I expect it, as the HS’s are much worse.
If I believed in the public schools I would support them but I don’t. The overwhelming idea is that public schools are the only choice. It’s ingrained into our psyches through many generations and, like many other things it is simply tradition.
We homeschool our children but for the first years of my children’s education we simply considered it one of many choices and the best choice for us. As of late, our attitudes have changed. Mostly this is because of what we see... on television, from other kids at the churches we have attended and in the news. Our belief now is that, given the current situation public school should be the last option for any family with a desire to see their children succeed as Christians and as patriots. If there is to be anyone to lead the country in the future those leaders will most certainly not be produced through the mainstream public education system. The way it is designed, it not only does not produce true leaders, it doesn’t even provide an adequate education to compete in the marketplace. But for us however, the major point is that the curriculum is diametrically opposed to what we want our children to believe and who we want them to be.
If you can truly look at what’s being taught in the schools and the kind of citizen they produce and be alright with it, then I guess I can see why you would see things differently. I do realize there are levels but even in the schools located in more conservative areas the curriculum is in direct conflict with our morals and values.
Here’s the problem: Most folks think that public education is necessary because both parents “have” to work for the family to survive. When we started on this road I was a maintenance man making a few dollars an hour. As a result we struggled financially for many years, but God has blessed us and we have worked hard to make sure we weren’t overwhelmed with debt. We don’t buy new cars and don’t have car payments but we live in a nice house. We shop at thrift stores and yard sales many times, but the kids dress pretty much as well as their peers.
Finances are not an excuse... status quo is not an excuse. When we chose to have children we also took the responsibility to raise them in the manner we think best. To simply turn them over to others to raise (that’s what the American lifestyle lends itself to) is wrong in my humble opinion.
I understand the rock and the hard place you and many others are in, but it’s a hill we choose to stand firm on. I will fight for the souls of my children and I will be a man who takes responsibility for my wife and children’s future (and that’s not just financial).
All I would ask anyone to do is to look at their children, consider their future and try to make choices with the weight of decision we use when doing things like choosing a church, taking a job, choosing a spouse and with the same dedication we give to our favorite ball team or video game, golf game or even our job. If we screw up any of those things we can recover.
If we screw up our kids, we will be held accountable.
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