Hawaiian newspapers don't prove birthplace

WorldNetDaily ^ | July 22, 2009 | Drew Zahn

[RobinMasters]

The announcements of Barack Obama's birth printed by two Hawaii newspapers in 1961 do not provide solid proof of a birth in the Aloha State because of uncertainties over the policies and procedures that apparently were being used at the time.

The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, for example, according to its website, now reprints birth information it receives from Hawaii's Department of Health.

"We don't have an editor who handles birth and marriage announcements; we print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System," a Star-Bulletin newsroom operator explained to WND.

The operator said, "This is how we've always done it."

The newspaper's "proof" of birth, therefore, could be based on a state-issued "Certification of Live Birth" which, as WND has reported is insufficient alone, even for some State Department officials, to document the birthplace.

Many people remain unaware a child does not even have to be born in Hawaii to receive a Certification of Live Birth, the very "evidence" the White House has cited in defending its assertion Obama was born in Hawaii.

[Plummz]

The point is you’d have to look in all the Hawaii papers until almost the end of August to see if the Nordyke birth was announced. The August 13 papers lists birth from 13 to six days beforehand. So using that as a bookmark you’d have to check, at the least, the papers from August 11 through 18 to find the Nordyke announcement.

[El Gato]

I dunno—why would anyone go through the trouble to fake this in 1961? He was an American citizen anyway. Surely, in that year, his Mother couldn’t have imagined he be President of the United

If he was born outside the US, he was not a citizen. Under the law that existed at the time, his mother, his US Citizen parent, would have needed to have lived in the US for a total of 10 years, 5 of which needed to be after her 14th birthday. (It's now 5 years and 2 years respectively). His mother was not yet 19 when he was born, so she failed the second half of the test.

In those days many thought that being a US Citizen was worth something., even those who wanted the country to move far far to the left of where it then was.

[Beckwith]

I find it quite unlikely that a mother her baby would embark on a transoceanic flight less than one week after birth.

Well, she did.

Wherever Barack was hatched, Stanley Ann was on a transoceanic flight within two weeks of his birth.

That's how she ended up in Susan Blake, her high school classmate's living room in the third week of August, 1961. According to Blake, Stanley Ann did not know how to change Barack's diapers.

[El Gato]

So now you're thinking that forty-eight years ago his folks hatched this scheme to elect their son president and started it in motion back then?

Nope, thinking his grandmother hatched the scheme to make her grandson a citizen, when he otherwise would not have been. Possibly as a fall back to his being put out for adoption right after birth in a hospital in another country, one more friendly to a mixed race child, than even Hawai`i was in the early 1960s. If so, it would have been accomplished because Stanley Ann reneged on the "deal" with her parents once BO was born.

[Beckwith]

Obama apparently had the notion from very early school-boy days that he would be president. Where did such a notion come from

Maya, Obama's half-sister, said, "There was always a joke between my mom and Barack that he would be the first black president."

Now, the joke's on us.

[El Gato]

One of the real legal questions is whether he lost his “natural born citizen” designation with foreign citizenship...thus having multiple allegiances.

The law is pretty clear on that. One cannot lose one's citizenship based on the actions of others, even one's parents, including by being adopted by a foreign national. In general one cannot even renounce ones own citizenship before the age of 18.

Although "renounce" implies a postive act, it's possible to renounce one's citizenship by entering the US on a foreign passport, representing oneself as a citizen of X, while in the US, and actually being a citizen of X as well of the US. Still another is to serve in the military of X if X is a hostile power.

[Vendome]

I apologize, I wasn’t trying to be a smartass. I would think the two different docs would have different numbers.

Guess not.

Thanks

[Vendome]

I have looked into having my name and birth record changed and here is what I found.

 

Your BC will remain the same but, any new requests for a copy will have a notation "ammended" on it.  The BC itself will not be changed.

 

 

 

I want to change my name on my original birth certificate. Can I do that without going to court?
 
No. The law does not allow the Office of Vital Records (OVR) to completely change the registrant’s name on a birth certificate unless the registrant has his or her name legally changed through the court process. Only information that was erroneously entered at the time of registration can be amended without going to court.

 

You will receive a certified copy of your original birth certificate marked “1 of 2,” and a copy of the amendment marked “2 of 2,” to indicate that your birth certificate is now a 2-page document.

 

 

 

 

Will I receive a new birth certificate reflecting my new name?
 No. OVR does not issue new birth certificates after court ordered name changes. Health and Safety Code Section 103405 provides:
“Upon receipt of the application, affidavit, certified copy of the court order and payment of the required fee, the State Registrar shall review the amendment for acceptance for filing, and if accepted, shall file the amendment and shall note the fact of the amendment on the otherwise unaltered original birth certificate. The amendment shall be filed with and become a part of the record to which it pertains, if the original record of birth is on file in the office of the State Registrar.”

 

 

 

[Non-Sequitur]

I'm sure there were other freebies and bennies on her mind that Uncle Sam could provide that uncle goat herder couldn't.

Like?

[Vendome]

I have looked into having my name and birth record changed and here is what I found.

 

Your BC will remain the same but, any new requests for a copy will have a notation "ammended" on it.  The BC itself will not be changed.

 

 

 

I want to change my name on my original birth certificate. Can I do that without going to court?
 
No. The law does not allow the Office of Vital Records (OVR) to completely change the registrant’s name on a birth certificate unless the registrant has his or her name legally changed through the court process. Only information that was erroneously entered at the time of registration can be amended without going to court.

 

You will receive a certified copy of your original birth certificate marked “1 of 2,” and a copy of the amendment marked “2 of 2,” to indicate that your birth certificate is now a 2-page document.

 

 

 

 

Will I receive a new birth certificate reflecting my new name?
 No. OVR does not issue new birth certificates after court ordered name changes. Health and Safety Code Section 103405 provides:
“Upon receipt of the application, affidavit, certified copy of the court order and payment of the required fee, the State Registrar shall review the amendment for acceptance for filing, and if accepted, shall file the amendment and shall note the fact of the amendment on the otherwise unaltered original birth certificate. The amendment shall be filed with and become a part of the record to which it pertains, if the original record of birth is on file in the office of the State Registrar.”

 

 

 

[BIGLOOK]

The background in this photo looks like the back or side of the East-West Center at the UH Manoa.

[Polarik]

And once again, if you ever cross the line from fantasyland into reality and attach "Dr" to your name in any official capacity, I will make it my personal business to see that you are apprehended and brought to justice.

Consider yourself permanently banned from FR for making a direct threat against me.

[Redwood Bob]

“Could have been the grandmother who sent the “announcement” to the newspaper.

Newspapers at the time probably published “news” of births as a service for proud parents and grandparents, NQA.

Perhaps the grandmother thought that by getting this in the newspaper, she could “create a record” for an otherwise, out-of-a-hospital, out-of-the-country, or out-of-wedlock birth. The thought that her grandchild might someday be president, did not cross her mind.”

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If you read the WND story, even WND reports that the “announcement” isn’t a paid announcement, it came straight from the Hawaii Dept. of Health Statistics. What WND doesn’t tell you is that the reports came straight from the Hawaii hospitals. Typical WND.

[usmcobra]

Damn! you sure have some people nervous tonight.

They’re going to get you if you don’t shut up.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

IBTZ!

[Vendome]

Lying Lurch:
Bring it on. My friends still do not know you and you are a liar, an agitator and self serving whore of a person who was never relevant.

You have always lived a poor life that became marginalized through your lackluster activity. Posting here has been the greatest time in your life when you actually received attention that validates your opaque existence. You post only to Polarik, making you a stalker and your threats both veiled and implied are unacceptable. Take a hike, obscure loser.

[BIGLOOK]

IBTZ



You're a piece of work, Ryan..... actually a dull tool.

[azishot]

I don’t get it....he thinks he’s kicking sand in the face of a 98 pound weakling.

[El Gato]

What WND doesn’t tell you is that the reports came straight from the Hawaii hospitals. Typical WND.

Not necessarily. It is possible to file a birth report for a non hospital birth, which become a birth certificate. It was also possibleto request a birth certificate for a birth occurring outside the state or territory of Hawaii. The newspaper announcement, even if they only came from the state vital statistics folks, does not reflect place of birth, or reported circumstances.