i guess sealed off in the sense it's a communist regime/closed society where digging requires a ton of paperwork and can denied on a whim... sure haven't heard of any finds in years.
Posted on 07/18/2009 7:17:27 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
The world of human phylogeny has been hit by a bombshell. Although scholars and textbooks are presenting chimpanzees as man's closest relatives, Grehan and Schwartz have revived the case for orangutans. They consider hominoids to be comprised of two sister clades: the human-orangutan clade (dental hominoids) and the chimpanzee-gorilla clade (African apes). They claim that humans and orangutans "share a common ancestor that excludes the extant African apes". Since it is received wisdom that chimps are the nearest relative to humans because we share over 98% of their genes and since humans are referred to as the "third chimpanzee", the ramifications of the new paper are immense!...
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“They wouldn’t be able to accept the truth of their theory, because it went a little too far.”
They already “accept” it, they just don’t advertise it. A good example is Ruth Ginsburg’s recent comments on the reasoning behind abortion rights.
at one time, Peking Man was the oldest known found and then the entire country of China was sealed off forever.
later along comes Leakey, but, China has remained sealed off and who is to say there aren't undiscovered surprises left unfound for not being allowed to search for them.
Where did you acquire this impression? It is not accurate.
Granted that excavations at the original "Peking Man" site (Zhoukoudian cave, locality 1) have been fitful over the last 70-odd years (since the original research ended with the Japanese invasion in '37) and not so extensive as the original research, but it's hardly been "sealed off". Significant finds occurred in the 60's, and there was still some work done there during the 80's, I believe, and there has always been active research underway at one of another of the Zhoukoudian caves. (I believe there are around a dozen all together.)
Something creationists have been talking about for a long time!
HELP! MY WORLD IS CRUMBLING!!
You know, the way creationists react to (actual) scientific debate is both funny and revealing.
This human-orang clade idea has been around for quite awhile. It still has some advocates. Occasionally they manage to put together some evidence good enough to get published. It doesn't look at present like the human-orang clade thesis will prevail over the human-chimp clade thesis, but if it ultimately does, then fine.
BTW, notice how GGG and crew entirely ignore the fact that NO scientist currently argues for, of finds evidence for, a great ape clade separate from a human clade! The only argument is as to which great ape or apes humans group with exclusive of the others. IOW it is agreed by all active anthropologists that humans are nested WITHIN the apes.
i guess sealed off in the sense it's a communist regime/closed society where digging requires a ton of paperwork and can denied on a whim... sure haven't heard of any finds in years.
Wouldn't that make you totally inbred?
Yes, previously we were arguing about how, given that chimps and humans are so 99% similar simians, we should at least have seen more chimp chessmasters in the Interzonals. Now we will have to rehash the same argument about orangutan chessmasters.
Sure. For example, read this. Margaret Sanger was a buddy of Lothrop Stoddard, who wrote The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy.
I was thinking of that book when I wrote that response. I read it 15 years ago or so, but forgot the name of it.
You can download it here, along with loads of other interesting evolutionist scriptures, such as "Passing of the Great Race" by Madison Grant.
O.K. I get that. Last really major Homo erectus find was '66.
Last excavations were '78 to '80. Apparently they're working there again, though. A crack in the limestone threatens a roof collapse, and they're trying to fix that and/or remove material that might be destroyed if they fail. I saw a short news story on this awhile back.
Perhaps specie was the wrong word.
But humans and chimps/orangutans are different species.
How did they cross-breed?
Why are there no fossils found of these ‘intermediate’ forms?
All species 'evolve' via (not so random) mutation and natural selection. They evolve in order to adapt to the environment. They just don't evolve into other species.
There are, however, some creatures in the ocean that start life as a plant, then turn into a snake. But their 'species' doesn't change.
i guess i just think there are many things to learn about multiple origin theories and some of the answers are in China/Asia.
Since you bring up the reference to the Constitution, let me ask you this.
If they are successful in fostering the belief that we were NOT CREATED by GOD, then doesn't the phrase "all men are CREATED equal" lose it's value?
Yeah, I guess when you are that old, and are retiring, you don't feel compelled to hold anything back.
After all, what can they do to you?
Just letting everybody know that the Evos, after years of telling us all that chimps are without doubt closer to humans than to the other great apes, are now revealing that Orangs may be closer. And if, as you say, this debate has been around for years, then it just goes to show how disengenuous and irresponsible the Temple of Darwin is for propagandizing everyone into believing something the Evos themselves knew was conroversial within their own camp!
==They evolve in order to adapt to the environment.
No Temple of Darwin evo would agree with that statement. They believe that mutations are completely random, with no thought adapting to the environment. You are starting to sound like a theistic evolutionist!
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