Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
Edited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
I agree that everything we do be within the Confines of the Law , Encouraging the American people to throw out the Bums that are doing nothing to stop this desent into Facism is just that. All I here when pundits and Newscasts talk about this Healthcare Obamanation is How Much it will cost nothing on what it means to all of our Freedoms,its as if our freedoms are for sale for the Lowest Price.
I am all for a Massive March on Washington ,but it will have to be just that MASSIVE or it will show that the Movement would be just a Last Dying Gasp for all of us
Yeah sure!
Now you're just stuck on stupid. When have the Democrats ever thought about keeping their promises or eating their own words? ROFL!!!!
For them it's all about getting elected, advancing socialism, seizing power and destroying America, re-making it into another European Socialist-like country.
My final words to you are this: What is being advocated on this thread is nothing more, nothing less than what our Founding Fathers did in declaring this country's independence from the King and establishing our rights to self governance. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness are not "just words", they are the foundation upon which our Constitution and this county were built.
Our Constitution and Country are being systematically torn down at lightning speed. There is no more time to waste or wait. If you think there is, I'll remind you that each Tea Party back in April had dozens of camera's taking pictures of the crowds. That was widely reported. It was also an intimidation attempt by this Government. Our freedoms are being taken away daily. HealthCare is but one example, a "surtax" on the "wealthy" is another. Soon Gun Rights will come under fire. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is already labeled a racist or worse, simply because we disagree with his Socialist/Marxist policies - which have nothing to do with the color of his skin.
Our side is being marginalized daily by the liberal left media, which voted 95% for Obama. They no longer report the TRUTH about anything. They claim the economy is getting better (it is not) and no longer report on the War in Iraq or Afghanistan - at least in the market I live in.
This same media was in the tank for Obama from the beginning, and they were determined to get him elected. Obama got nothing but good covereage, every other candidate got hosed. The media continues their love-fest with Obama today.
Yet, demanding our rights be restored and that our grievances be addressed by this "Government" in the same manner of the Founding Fathers you'd call TREASON?
Got news for you, your type of cowardice is exactly why the Alexander, Hamilton, Jefferson, Adams, Henry, Franklin etc.. are all spinning in their graves, wondering what's happened to this country and why it was allowed to happen.
No more. If you're not willing to lead or follow then do yourself a favor - get the hell off the road because Moderates like you helped cause this problem and you're gonna get run over standing there in the middle of the road.
Here’s a few ideas:
We need provisions to further separate and diminish powers.
Some ideas for this end could include, prohibiting from anyone from working in more than one branch of the government, so if you work in the executive, you would be prohibited from working in the legislative or judicial for the remainder of your life.
Also, a prohibition against attorneys from running for public office, since their income is generated by the practice of law, when they are in positions that presents them to create law there is a conflict of interests.
2 term limit on all elected positions. Eliminate the existence of career politicians.
Transform the FCC into an elected body.
Congress shall make no law establishing the redistribution of wealth.
We need provisions that prohibit the passage of any legislation that move the nation away from a Constitutional Republic. It needs to be more than just Congress shall make no law, because as we have seen, they simply ignore those words.
There needs to be severe penalties. Some might suggest monetary penalties, but frankly I would suggest immediate dismissal from their position, and deportation should any elected official vote for a socialist and/or communist policy.
The 2nd amendment needs to be clarified, so that it is understood that any private citizen has the right to be as equally armed as any member of our military, without being questioned or harassed by government.
I have read dozens of times about ppl bringing weapons and creating an armed revolution. Jim, pls speak up on this. Our founders and our soldiers gave us a better way, our voice and our vote. If hundreds of armed ppl show up in DC our conservative movement will be steeped in blood. Please be the voice of our Republic Jim and tell them to leave their guns at home. First we march, then we vote. This call to arms is premature, but nonetheless we should be ready.
perhaps you've got me confused with another poster.
I understand your concerns about some of the posts on this thread that advocate radical actions. I would only remind those posters to remember what Free Republic is all about. It is about defending our Constitution through political action and peaceful demonstrations. We members of Free Republic are law biding American patriots who spread the truth and defend our Constitution through PEACEFUL means!
JimRob does NOT advocate any form of radical of violent action! All other grassroots groups that will be joining us in DC are also planning peaceful protest events to make our voices heard.
I request that any Freeper who chooses to post radical ideas to damage Free Republic's reputation to cease doing so.
WE FREE REPUBLIC MEMBERS ARE GOING TO WASHINGTON DC TO DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION BY PEACEFUL MEANS!
SEE YOU IN DC FOR OUR NATIONAL FREE REPUBLIC TEA PARTY CONVENTION FROM 9/11-9/13!
Jim,
I’ve been thinking long and hard about this post and I believe this idea is missing one key point. You will not affect change while over half the population of this country has no problem holding their hands out milking the government teat. Every type of group imaginable has marched on Washington, it makes news for a weekend, then it fades away. (unless something happens that will cause the media to demonize the marchers- let’s not go there.)
The key to change is not first changing DC, that is a symptom of the problem. The key is education of the people. Even a million people marching on DC is a gnat on the ass of the number of people who are big brother dependent.
The Conservative greats didn’t march demanding government change, they went straight to the people and told them how being your own person, free from the shackles of government “help” is a better life. The Conservative greats built up the individual in spite of whatever happens in DC.
Next year we have another election, this one could change the make-up of congress. The founding fathers put these gates in place so revolution would not be necessary. IMHO, we should have a year of massive education. We need to stop huddling up here and isolating ourselves and instead, take the message out to the people. Use FR as a staging point where we coordinate our message. We need to all focus on what unites us, not the little a-political crap like who is the best pop-tart, God vs.(sic) Darwin, or who their favorite golfer is that we seem to fight about far too often. It is time to tighten up the message and get back to the root of our principles.
Change will only come when the country’s attitude changes. All power in DC emanates from the consent of the governed. We need to acknowledge that the liberal policies are a failure on our part to educate the people.
IMHO, Anything more than a peaceful, informational march will simply be used as a tool by the left. The tea parties have been successful in rallying our side because they where positive and informational. No one tried to take over the government. No one tried to block traffic or stop work from being done. It is an appeal to the people.
JR’s goal is to “throw the bums out” - all of them.
He invokes the Declaration Of Independence.
How the he11 do you think that happens WITHOUT going that far?
You REALLY need to review the history of the Bonus Army.
JR’s path is heading straight toward a repeat.
The “bums” want to keep their power a whole lot more than march-supporting FReepers want to strip them of it.
YES! THROUGH PEACEFUL PROTEST TO MAKE OUR VOICES HEARD AND TO GIVE NOTICE THAT THE 2010 ELECTIONS WILL REMOVE FROM OFFICE ALL OFFICIALS WHO DO NOT OBAY THEIR OATH OF OFFICE!
Ditto,
As I stated above, the founding fathers put in gates every two years to prevent the need for another revolution but it is up to us to educate the voting public in order to shut that gate to those who are in there and get another group in. If change doesn’t happen, we can only blame ourselves.
“Grassroots conservative participation in the local elections built organizations that grew to elect state and federal candidates. It takes patience and is not as glamorous and entertaining as bantering about a revolt, but it is truly the effective and Constituional way.”
Do we have any reason to assume there will be elections in 2010 or 2012? Or that they will be fair if they are held? The last two national elections have been marred by massive fraud. With a census in 2010, taken by ACORN, and the redistricting which will follow, give you any security that future elections will produce an accurate count? The ousted President of Honduras rigged the voting machines in his nation. Hugo Chavez, one whom our Looter in Chief admires, has canceled elections.
I believe that expecting that there will be elections, as usual, in the future may be unrealistic. We may have a very narrow window of opportunity, three years, to salvage our Liberty.
Yawn. Have any other mass marches had significant effect of late? Million Man March - was trying to remember their issue. Promisekeepers - yeah, that really helped.
GIVE NOTICE THAT THE 2010 ELECTIONS WILL REMOVE FROM OFFICE ALL OFFICIALS WHO DO NOT OBAY THEIR OATH OF OFFICE!
Right, kid. [pats yelling seekthetruth on the head] Sure. Keep stomping your feet and yelling, they'll hear you. Yeah.
The "march in and bodily throw 'em out, roll back Constitutional amendments, and vote in a new mob while Hillary is interim President" now gives way to what, a few hours of yelling "play by the rules or we might not vote you back in next time"? Oooh, scary.
Hmmm. A few cheesed-off conservatives, vs. majority of voters pay no taxes and receive non-trivial benefits from the ever-growing gov't. Odds are looking pretty clear here.
The Founding Fathers thought tar-and-feathers were a perfectly reasonable starting point. Today, we're too scared to even go that far.
I believe you are being unrealistically negative about 2010. And if we screw that up, the rest is our fault. ACORN and the rest only have their effect on 2012 if we cannot reclaim the House with a coalition of the sane.
However, at the current rate, Obama will be hated in 2010, and this will be a hard hard situation for the Democrats. But, it is up to us to make the change and get House Committees up and running to clean up the mess.
Agree. That's why we should only use the peaceful techniques that the left have used. For example a "sit-in".
If the 17th amendment were repealed, as Jim Rob suggests, and state legislators once again appoint Senators, term limiting Senators would be an infringement on state sovereignty. I suppose term limiting congress critters could also be placing a restriction on the Liberty of an individual citizen to select who should represent him in Washington. Even so, I would support congressional term limits. If the 17th amendment remains in force I would support term limits on Senators.
PLEASE TAKE YOUR VIOLENT TALK ELSEWHERE!
Kindly indicate what, exactly, I said which you find so objectionable.
Nothing I wrote advocated such behavior. I merely observed the impotence of what didn’t work before and won’t work again.
I concur that all your mentioned changes must be made: it is imperative to do it in an orderly way. Else anarchy and chaos will be rampant.
Obama would/will declare ‘Marshal Law’ and move to remove (with force or shooting) all involved with such a up rising.
Not to be a nay sayer ... but a coup is the way to make changes in a disciplined way. Based on what I know of government. Not actual experience except life and age.
We must stop the ‘run away train’ that is headed full speed for America's total destruction: or a totally controlled slave form of existence.
God help us in our day. God bless America. In Jesus name. Amen.
We are looking more like Russia during Lenin's time everyday.
Congress and all elite politicians, do indeed want to remain in office. It looks that they believe that can TAKE OVER without a fight. Recently in Iran there was was an attempt at political protest. Look how that turned out in the end. To be effective we must have a plan and a back up.
You make a good point. All dictatorships that I can think of where triggered by someone taking power in the event of a crisis. They need a crisis to happen for the people to be willing to give up freedom. IMHO, that's why we need to go to the people, not to DC.
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