Posted on 07/11/2009 10:48:53 AM PDT by Bob J
We all loved Sarah. She rescued the sinking McCain campaign, said all the right things and holds pretty much the same positions of most FReepers.
They all love Obama. He rescued the sinking DNC, said all the right things and holds pretty much the same positions of most liberals.
Dems, liberals and the MSM are condemned for their all consuming adoration, virtual blindness to any mistakes or faults and slobbering worship of the man. Yet when the same thing happens to Palin it turns into a virtue.
Sarah was a real coup for conservatives. But when she announced her resignation many of us saw this for what it was, a deal breaker for a Presidential campaign. Oh she might run in '12 and she might even win the nomination. But she will not be able to shake the black mark of being labeled a "quitter" by her opponent and the MSM and it is very unlikely she will be able to garner the votes among right leaning dems and independents needed to win the general election.
Sarah decided to give up the hardship of public service. Hers was much harder than most, her opponents and the MSM were relentless in their vicious attacks and persecution. Instead she decided to go for the gold, writing books, the lucrative speakers circuit, not having to answer to a hostile critics and media.
I don't blame her, I think she did what was best for herself and family so I hold no animosity for it. But let's not deceive ourselves. She effectively has taken herself out of the game, a game in which we all were invested heavily in her political future. We NEEDED Sarah to lead a conservative revolution and anyone who thinks she can do it from the sidelines, the speakers circuit, is fooling themselves, just look at Newt. Sarah wnet for Sarah and we were kicked to the curb.
All I'm wondering is if the Palin cheering section, the one that praises every move, every decision whether it's good or bad, the ones that believe she can do no wrong, the ones who look to Sarah as a second coming of some sort, can you please take off the blinders for one second and see reality of the situation?
I ask this because I see these blind followers possibly leading us down a road to failure in '12. Let Sarah be, let her speak, write books, continue saying all the right things, make lots of money and establish some peace in her private life. She, of all, knows her decision has taken her out of the presidential ball game and she is good with it (if she doesn't then she does not have the political savvy to earn our support).
But quit with the relentless, vicious, nasty and foul attacks on your fellow FReepers who have taken the blinders off and made peace with what this all means. You're not doing Sarah any good and of she read some of things that are being written here I have a feeling she'd be the first to blush and ask it to stop.
Preach!
“... MSM are condemned for their all consuming adoration, virtual blindness to any mistakes or faults and slobbering worship of the man. Yet when the same thing happens to Palin it turns into a virtue.”
Mind telling us when that happened ? How about giving some examples of MSM’s all consuming adoration, virtual blindness to any mistakes or faults and slobbering worship” of Gov Palin? I missed it.
You should say whatever is on your mind. I support that even if I can’t agree with you in total.
Bob J, you, ReneeLynn (who I pinged in here since she referred me to it), and I each want a conservative to represent us in 2012. We want one to help get conservatives elected in 2010 too. And the best candidate to do that, will be someone who has less baggage to carry around in 2010.
That’s the reason why I was disappointed in Palin stepping down. You and I can understand why she did. We’re conservatives. Of course we will. As I have said to others, we simply cannot get Sarah elected on our own.
Independents and Democrats who saw Bill and Hillary Clinton get skewered for eight years and hang in there, are not going to be particularly impressed by Sarah taking darts for two and a half years and bailing. And yes I do think Bill was a crook and Sarah is not. And yes I saw them target her family like a bunch of animals, it’s not me you have to win over. It’s going to be the Independents and Democrats who won’t see her justification for stepping down as anything other than whining. And even if I don’t believe it can be relegated to that, my opinion doesn’t count. Palin would get my vote if she were running. It’s theirs that is very important if we want to see her be President.
No, Duncan and Fred didn’t get it done. You’re changing subjects. Nothing they did or said will mitigate what Sarah Palin has done, good or bad, so they just don’t count here.
What trap? Look, if you’re going to use terms like that, they must be universally accepted. No Independents or Democrats are going to see a sitting Governor as existing in a trap simply because they are tasked with fulfilling the job the voters elected them to do. And once again, no amount of what the Independents and Democrats are going to see as whining, will change that.
Bob is not asking you to understand this. I am. You may not like the dynamics we face as a party with regard to Palin, but I am. Die hard loyalty is admirable if it’s going to get you to the promised land. Die hard loyalty to someone who may have fatally shot their political future in the head, as it relates to Independents and Democrats is not.
Couple the decision to step down with the announcement of plans to keep the Democrats in the majority, even if couched with conservative intent, still leaves Pelosi in control of the House agenda. That’s a non-starter for me.
I don’t necessarily ask you to agree, but it’s something you should at the very least consider.
yeah, him and his buddy goldwaterrepublican
If Obama were to resign, effective this month, I would like him much better.
However, all we have as of right now is words. When we have some actions resulting from those words, we will see what her intentions are.
Bottom line, I think the probability that we will ever see her campaigning for a democrat in very, very low.
Having just witnessed a thread where multiple freepers discussed using physical violence against Palin detractors, with one complaining only that the original poster should go do it himself instead of waiting for someone else, I have to say that, for a few of them, there is no difference between them and Obama worshippers.
I still think that most supporters of Palin are much better and support her for all the right reasons.
very nice VR
The individuals being worshiped. One is worth adulation and respect, the other is an angry, hate America individual who is trying to destroy our Nation.
“He climbed steep stairs, born off the continent with no father to guide, a dreamy, abandoning mother, mixed race, no connections. He rose with guts and gifts. He is steady, calm, and, in terms of the execution of his political ascent, still the primary and almost only area in which his executive abilities can be discerned, he shows good judgment in terms of whom to hire and consult, what steps to take and moves to make.”
“Couple the decision to step down with the announcement of plans to keep the Democrats in the majority, even if couched with conservative intent, still leaves Pelosi in control of the House agenda. That’s a non-starter for me.”
The points of our disagreement seem to be the ‘assumptions’ being made. The assumption that Palin supporters are blind. The assumption that Sarah has screwed her political career by resigning. And the assumption that Sarah is now going to go out and support just any old Democrat against any Republican. I don’t support any of those assumptions.
I detest watching Obama do what he’s doing. As long as I can see that we have some chance of blocking him through focused conservative efforts, I at least have hope.
When our side starts talking about supporting conservative Democrats in the elections, it’s evident to me that one of our last hopes has been dashed.
There are no conservative Democrats, yet the plan to support some Democrats is none the less a great sounding idea to Palin supporters, because she stated she thought it was.
I can honestly say, that as a conservative Republican, I have never been more demoralized.
There are no conservative Democrats.
She said she will be supporting conservative Independents and Democrats.
You see our reaction as being based on assumptions?
Well, okay. Thanks.
This is symptomatic of a defeated, collaborative wing of the GOP that wants nothing more than to be thought well of by the Left, which they believe has decisively won the political and cultural battles of the twentieth century. Their goal in 2012 is to find a bland, pleasant, “moderate” Republican, who can win the approval of the media mullahs as a “serious candidate,” then lose gracefully.
(h/t HotAir)
The question is, does Sarah draw anybody other than the solid conservatives who are already on her side and ready to vote for conservative principles?
Because otherwise, Rush has 20 million people who listen to him every day, but he’d never win a Presidential contest.
The responses to your repeating the claims of the Washington Times seem to illustrate the point that Bob was making.
I know what the article said, and I didn’t say you were lying.
Has she stumped for any dems yet?
Considering the fact that there are RINOs who wouldn’t be caught dead with her, I have to wonder if any dems would have her campaign for them.
So, it may never happen, but I surely do like the position she’s taken...conservative...not Republican.
If she can pull off what Reagan did, then I’m all for it.
There is a reason John McCain liked her enough to pick her as VP. It wasn’t to “appeal to conservatives”, as she wasn’t universally loved by conservatives like some other picks could be. He really liked her, liked how she was a “maverick”, and at some level that has to mean something.
McCain could have been completely wrong about her, but it seems unlikely.
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