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Presidents and popes: Obama is 12th US president to visit Vatican
cns ^ | July 9, 2009 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 07/09/2009 1:12:56 PM PDT by NYer

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- When President Barack Obama steps into the pope's private library in the Vatican July 10, he will become only the 12th U.S. president to do so.

And while the Vatican has a protocol handbook governing visits by heads of state -- a handbook that covers everything, including the number of Swiss Guards and papal gentlemen in tails present -- the way the visit unfolds is determined by the schedules of the pope and his guest.

The fact that Obama is coming to the Vatican directly from the Group of Eight meeting in L'Aquila, Italy, and is leaving immediately afterward to fly to Ghana means timing is tight.

The time constraints mean the Vatican and the White House have not made plans for an exchange of formal speeches -- an optional part of papal receptions of presidents.

But there is always time for an exchange of gifts.

The Baltimore province of the Redemptorists announced that it had given Obama a stole that had been placed on the remains of St. John Neumann, a 19th-century Redemptorist and the first male naturalized U.S. citizen to become a saint. Obama will give the stole to the pope.

While the gifts presidents and prime ministers give popes are quite varied -- but tend heavily toward old books, statues and vases -- Pope Benedict always gives heads of state a gold medal marking the current year of his pontificate.

But he also may give the president a mosaic or a reproduction of a historical etching of St. Peter's Basilica or St. Peter's Square. Sometimes -- like when Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd met the pope July 9 -- the pope gives his guests a special limited-edition pen shaped like the twisting columns of Gian Lorenzo Bernini's baldacchino over the main altar of St. Peter's Basilica.

It would appear that visiting presidents have a lot more leeway in choosing the gifts they want to give the pope.

In former U.S. President George W. Bush's three Vatican visits to Pope John Paul II, he presented an 1849 first edition of an anthology of American poetry; a silver medallion with a hand-painted image of Mary; and the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Bush met Pope Benedict at the Vatican twice. In 2007, he gave the pope a walking stick into which the Ten Commandments had been carved by a formerly homeless man. And in 2008, the pope and the president gave each other photographs taken during Pope Benedict's April 2008 visit to the White House.

Some may find it interesting that Obama, who is not Catholic, chose a very Catholic gift for the pope while Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso, a Catholic, gave the pope a digital video recorder during a similar audience July 7.

The Vatican protocol playbook divides presidential and prime ministerial visits into three categories with an increasing degree of ceremony: private visit, official visit and state visit.

The Obama visit is considered private, but with a bit of flair. He will be met in the St. Damasus Courtyard by U.S. Archbishop James Harvey, prefect of the papal household, and a small contingent of Swiss Guards.

In a reversal of the usual order of things, the president will meet with Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, Vatican secretary of state, before going to meet the pope.

After a private discussion with Pope Benedict, Obama will introduce his wife, Michelle, and daughters, Sasha and Malia, to the pope.

A group photo will be taken, then the pope and president will exchange gifts and the first family will leave for the airport.

Obama is continuing a tradition that is only 90 years old.

The first U.S. president to visit the Vatican was Woodrow Wilson, who met with Pope Benedict XV in 1919 while on a European tour after World War I.

The next presidential visit was a full 40 years later; Dwight D. Eisenhower met Pope John XXIII in 1959.

Since then, each U.S. president has made a trip to the Vatican.

Meeting Pope Paul VI were John F. Kennedy in 1963; Lyndon B. Johnson in 1967; Richard M. Nixon in 1969 and 1970; and Gerald R. Ford in 1975.

Jimmy Carter was the next to visit, meeting Pope John Paul in 1980. Ronald Reagan met him in 1982 and 1987, as well as after leaving office. George H.W. Bush met him in 1989 and 1991. Bill Clinton came to the Vatican in 1994.

George W. Bush met Pope John Paul in 2001 at the papal villa in Castel Gandolfo and at the Vatican in 2002 and 2004. In addition to attending Pope John Paul's funeral in 2005, he visited the Vatican in 2007 and again in 2008 to meet with Pope Benedict.

Beginning with Carter's visit, the pope's remarks to his presidential visitors focused on two themes: the need for world peace and the obligation to protect human life, particularly the life of the unborn.

The two topics still top the list of the pope's concerns for the United States.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: obama; pope; vatican
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1 posted on 07/09/2009 1:12:57 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

When President Barack Obama meets with Pope Benedict XVI Friday, he will present this stole to the pope as a gift. It has a unique connection to St. John Neumann, a Redemptorist priest who served as the bishop of Philadelphia from 1852 until his death in 1860. (CNS/Redemptorist Office of Mission Advancement)

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2 posted on 07/09/2009 1:14:12 PM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

When Zero sees all that gold, he’s gonna want a crib like that.


3 posted on 07/09/2009 1:15:22 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Forget going Galt. Its time to go Braveheart.)
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4 posted on 07/09/2009 1:16:24 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

What a dork!


5 posted on 07/09/2009 1:17:32 PM PDT by coconut47
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To: NYer

I was under the assumption that he will burst into flames when he walks onto Vatican property. I doubt he can even see his reflection in the mirror.


6 posted on 07/09/2009 1:21:40 PM PDT by IrishPennant (RLT = Radical Left Terrorism...feel it????)
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To: NYer

Nope, Zer0 is a first. The first pretender POTUS to visit a Pope.


7 posted on 07/09/2009 1:23:05 PM PDT by dforest (Anyone dumb enough to have voted for him deserves what they get.. No Pity!)
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To: NYer

>>> But there is always time for an exchange of gifts.

The Baltimore province of the Redemptorists announced that it had given Obama a stole that had been placed on the remains of St. John Neumann, a 19th-century Redemptorist and the first male naturalized U.S. citizen to become a saint. Obama will give the stole to the pope. <<<

...along with _The DaVinci Code_ and _Angels and Demons_ on DVD!


8 posted on 07/09/2009 1:24:43 PM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: traumer
The Messiah and his fashion plate wife.
9 posted on 07/09/2009 1:26:34 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Impeach President Soros!!!)
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To: NYer

I trust any singes that appear during the short time it is in Obama’s possession will miraculously disappear when the Holy Father recieves it.

I suppose too much to hope for that such a miracle be caught on video and aired around the globe....


10 posted on 07/09/2009 1:39:23 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: IrishPennant

see my #10, above


11 posted on 07/09/2009 1:40:44 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
Maybe the Pope will show Zero God's birth certificate...

Bad joke, I know...hopefully I can avoid a holy Zot!!!

12 posted on 07/09/2009 1:45:22 PM PDT by IrishPennant (RLT = Radical Left Terrorism...feel it????)
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To: NYer

You mean he is not going to give the pope an ipod?


13 posted on 07/09/2009 1:54:09 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: NYer

At least his handlers appear to have learned a lesson after the gift gaffe to Gordon Brown.


14 posted on 07/09/2009 2:03:30 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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You mean he is not going to give the pope an ipod?

LOL. Yea, with maybe some Gregorian Chants on it and oh, yea some of O's greatest speeches. That would be a real keepsake.

15 posted on 07/09/2009 2:17:54 PM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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When President Barack Obama meets with Pope Benedict XVI Friday, he will present this stole to the pope as a gift. It has a unique connection to St. John Neumann, a Redemptorist priest who served as the bishop of Philadelphia from 1852 until his death in 1860.

It's beautiful. I'm glad Obama will be meeting the Holy Father. And it's very providential that his Encyclical debuts just in advance of that, easy to see the Hand of God at work here.

16 posted on 07/09/2009 4:41:32 PM PDT by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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To: mc5cents

Circular file for Obama’s specces! LOL!


17 posted on 07/09/2009 8:19:56 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: NYer; GOP_Lady
 
 
 
Laura Bush and the Pope. 
How a lady of class dresses to meet the Pontiff.
 
(Gosh, I miss Laura!)
 

18 posted on 07/09/2009 8:32:38 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation

Thank you, Salvation.

Those are wonderful pictures.

They warmed my heart and put a smile on my face.

You can see the appreciation that everyone has for each other.


19 posted on 07/09/2009 8:38:28 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Salvation

I miss Laura, too.


20 posted on 07/09/2009 8:40:32 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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