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COURT OVERTURNS SOTOMAYOR; SIDES WITH WHITE FIREFIGHTERS
Drudge ^ | 06/29/09

Posted on 06/29/2009 7:06:51 AM PDT by Abathar

COURT OVERTURNS SOTOMAYOR; SIDES WITH WHITE FIREFIGHTERS


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; bhojudicialnominees; commonsense; discrimination; firefighters; obamasracistjudge; preferences; ricci; ruling; scotus; shearacist; sheracist; sotomayor
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To: Abathar

http://thomasalamb.blogspot.com/2009/06/washington-post-forgets-there-is.html

The Washington Post Forgets There is a Hispanic Firefighter Who Didn’t Get a Job


361 posted on 06/29/2009 12:54:28 PM PDT by theanchoragedailyruse
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To: M203M4
They cannot find an individual who was wronged in any concrete way, but have no trouble identifying discrimination against a group. They cannot find a single element of the performance measure which is potentially racially loaded, but can toss the entire assessment because the results are inconvenient.

So true. We saw this in Florida during the 2000 election. Ever hear of a single, individual minority (by name) who was "turned away" from the polls? Never. Oh, but everyone knows "blacks as a group" didn't have their votes counted.

362 posted on 06/29/2009 1:02:02 PM PDT by workerbee (If you vote for Democrats, you are engaging in UnAmerican Activity.)
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To: swarthyguy

Reading her idiotic reasoning left me breathless.

Yes, it was a test for promotion. That seems to escape her notice.


363 posted on 06/29/2009 1:04:30 PM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Carley

It’s more of the same thing we see in our public schools with the dumbing down mentality. If there are those who can’t compete, then lower the standards. The blacks thought they would be a shoe in for promotion. Oops, they didn’t pass the test. Test bad. Lower the standards. Promote them no matter what. I don’t care what color or ethnicity you are. If you can’t cut it, then work harder. It’s been the American creed ever since we landed on that rock.


364 posted on 06/29/2009 1:11:55 PM PDT by animal172 (Disgusted in Tennessee)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thank you - but I live in Absurdistan; but maybe Merlin is another one of MOM’s domains. -smile-


365 posted on 06/29/2009 1:20:50 PM PDT by In Maryland
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To: Albion Wilde

It is indeed sad. The defenders of modern racism are more interested in making the results race neutral than in making laws and systems race neutral (that is to say, entirely blind to the very concept of race, which is the classically liberal ideal to which I ascribe). Apparently if doctor A is assessed in every capacity as being more highly qualified than doctor B, it is possible for someone to remain (in popular estimation) both sane and moral by rejecting doctor A and accepting doctor B by virtue of skin tone differences.

When I taught students years ago, I never really cared why grades were higher for one group than for the other - some of my colleagues collected their own statistics and made attempts to ameliorate performance inequality (this is for mathematics, and we all know how much bigotry hides within differential equations and calculus), but I could not care less.

The Greek organizations, because of a supposed membership differential weighted toward white males, were always a target of ire (for their collections of prior year tests). Sometimes professors would change the context of questions, getting rid of questions about concepts that only white males have lifestyle familiarity with. Like nuclear decay rates?? Springs and pulleys? Fastfood queues? Fencing a yard? Perhaps they took questions predicated on the social equivalent of subtracting payroll taxes from a paycheck, and replaced them with questions they think that students from a “diverse background” have lifestyle familiarity with. Nope, that is not racist at all...just like replacing cars with shopping carts in examples to better appeal to the sensibilities of women is not sexist. Welcome to the world of leftist delusion.

If I teach grade 1, 10, or even graduate students, am I supposed to hire a diversity consultant to screw with all my tests because kids from certain groups are X% less likely to take part in kindergarten? Or because their mother was Y% more likely to drink alcohol during pregnancy? Or because growing up in a violent neighborhood makes childhood trips to the library a particularly risky proposition?

Seriously, it is not the job of performance evaluators to “correct” or “compensate” for the sins of the past or for injustices due to genuine racism today. I can accept that some scenarios can “lock in” institutional discrimination (such as older European-style advancement systems predicated explicitly upon parentage and blind to all concepts of individual merit), but even in such blatant cases the answer is not to water down or otherwise corrupt performance evaluation procedures in hopes of “compensating”.

According to the records for this particular case, the strongest argument made by the dissenting justices was that there was delayed access for some of the study materials due to a deficiency of the publisher, with this presumably offering an advantage to those who could retrieve the materials instead from friends or relatives, and thus self-perpetuating the inequality put in place when laws were openly discriminatory. So let us examine this more closely. According to the dissent, this delay entailed waiting “several weeks” to obtain copies of the study materials. Again according to the dissent, the announcement of the performance evaluation more than a year earlier gave the committee plenty of time to seek outside counsel on test composition and weight. So, from Ginsberg’s lashing out against the test preparers for not hiring enough diversity consultants to turn the test into complete shit, we learn that everyone who was experienced enough to conceivably enter into competition for the promotion had more than a year to prepare, and more than a year to buy the study materials. Yet a delay of weeks (meaning 3 weeks or less, or the justices would have certainly used “months” for added effect) is partly blamed for performance inequality.

In the minds of many, one cannot both accept that the outcome of the performance evaluation was fair, and that there exist no intrinsic racial differences responsible for differences in performance. This is fallacious, and represents the sort of false dichotomy leveraged successfully for decades by the Left (and parts of the “Right” in matters of foreign policy) to trick people into accepting the preposterous. One can submit that differences expressing themselves along racial lines have origins independent of genetic factors, while at the same time demanding that the evaluation of performance remain dispassionate, even when the results furnish inequality. Genes may of course play a role, and I do not subscribe to the view that with enough effort anyone can do anything, but ultimately the only objective measure we should respect is one based on merit at time of impact, even if that exposes the underlying fruit of yesterday’s (or today’s) injustices which influenced the initial trajectory. If we bury those sins with have measures, than all we have succeeded in is a backhanded condoning the root practices responsible for inequality, and a self-serving painting over of history.

Minorities should be infuriated with attempts to “soften the blow of racism” by using yet more racism. Liberalism has gone from extolling the virtues of the individual to extinguishing both the individual and virtue by feigning an equivalence between negative and positive, and by supplanting the one with the collective.


366 posted on 06/29/2009 1:28:36 PM PDT by M203M4 (A rainbow-excreting government-cheese-pie-eating unicorn in every pot.)
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To: ladyjane

No, it’s only discriminatory if the white people benefit. When the opposite happens it becomes “justice” or “equality, or maybe “fairness.”

An all-black basketball team would be the epitome of our society overcoming its racism. But only if you look solely at the race of the members of the team, dontcha know...


367 posted on 06/29/2009 1:34:53 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Palin/Netanyahu 2012 ))))
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To: animal172

You racist you!!!

/s/


368 posted on 06/29/2009 1:37:34 PM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Let’s pray he has the spine to use it and not just sit there with his finger up his nose like most pubs muttering.......”duh.......hmmmm.....mmmmm.....huh...duh ....wha?........ummmmm.....”


369 posted on 06/29/2009 1:42:13 PM PDT by bustinchops
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To: MrB

..but that’s because these things aren’t nipped in the bud by the congress. Remember, the Civil Rights Act began in the congress.


371 posted on 06/29/2009 1:47:45 PM PDT by bustinchops
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To: mewzilla

I’m horrified but not surprised. This was a clearly racist decision by the lower courts and points to bad law underlying the entire question. It just further emphasizes how far beyond rational, fair and critical thought the left has moved. They no longer care even about a semblance of fairness and lawful intent.


372 posted on 06/29/2009 1:51:02 PM PDT by bustinchops
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To: bert

Now, now ... be nice. To answer your question, in many cases it only takes ONE generation to educate a minority.

Your last statement is partially correct — you can lead a minority to school, but there’s no guarantee of HOW he/she will think. Case in point — Sotomayor.


373 posted on 06/29/2009 2:07:04 PM PDT by Babalu ("Tracer rounds work both ways ...")
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To: meandog

Agreed, but in this case it is FEA as opposed to FEO. Then again ... ya just never know!


374 posted on 06/29/2009 2:09:11 PM PDT by Babalu ("Tracer rounds work both ways ...")
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To: Eroteme

It’s now 67%.


375 posted on 06/29/2009 2:18:07 PM PDT by Norman Bates
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To: ladyjane
Their argument can be summed up as follows: performance disparity should never fall along racial lines, and if it does, it is clear evidence of a racially discriminatory performance measure.

So if a professional basketball team is majority black, the selection process is discriminatory? hmm...

Nope, what it says is that if PERFORMNCE disparity falls along racial lines. In other words if promotions are awarded due to racial lines. Basketball teams pick the best players, it so happens that Blacks tend to be better basketball players, so there is no discrimination going on there except discriminating between good and not so good players. This is much different than picking people simply because they are a certain color.

376 posted on 06/29/2009 2:19:33 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Arguendo

“Of course. Pretty much every appeals court judge has been reversed at some point.”

That was not my question however. My question was whether a SC nominee has ever been over turned by the Supreme court before being confirmed. I don’t recall it ever happening before. It would be interesting to find out.


377 posted on 06/29/2009 2:28:51 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: torchthemummy

YES..YES..YEs....lol. You must have been trying to post when the system was on the fritz. Thanks for your answer. I don’t think it has ever happened quite this way before.


378 posted on 06/29/2009 2:30:44 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Abathar

The White House replys see we told you she was not an activist judge and was only ruling on existing precedent....

WHAT?

The media let them get away with that... Are Americans buying that line of crap?

At a minimum it shows she is too stupid to question bad precedent and ruled on the case as a racist Latina holding WHITEY to a higher standard...

I guess the Obama Philly poll workers were right...

“You about to be RULED by the Black man, Cracker.”


379 posted on 06/29/2009 2:37:24 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Bernie Madoff is an amatuer compared to Obama.)
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To: Carley

Thank you. That’s the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a long time.


380 posted on 06/29/2009 2:43:49 PM PDT by animal172 (Disgusted in Tennessee)
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