Posted on 06/21/2009 9:02:28 AM PDT by FromLori
People on the government’s terrorist watch list tried to buy guns nearly 1,000 times in the last five years, and federal authorities cleared the purchases 9 times out of 10 because they had no legal way to stop them, according to a new government report.
In one case, a person on the list was able to buy more than 50 pounds of explosives.
The new statistics, compiled in a report from the Government Accountability Office that is scheduled for public release next week, draw attention to an odd divergence in federal law: people placed on the government’s terrorist watch list can be stopped from getting on a plane or getting a visa, but they cannot be stopped from buying a gun.
Gun purchases must be approved unless federal officials can find some other disqualification of the would-be buyer, like being a felon, an illegal immigrant or a drug addict.
“This is a glaring omission, and it’s a security issue,” Senator Frank R. Lautenberg, the New Jersey Democrat who requested the study, said in an interview.
Mr. Lautenberg plans to introduce legislation on Monday that would give the attorney general the discretion to block gun sales to people on terror watch lists.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
A Ron Paul, Boy Scouts, NRA, Jesus Saves or W’04 bumper sticker will get you put on “the list”.
Discretion? From Eric Holder? That just means RATs on the no-fly list will still be able to buy guns. Besides, being on that list just means there will be some extra checking before you can board the aircraft.
The only disqualifier for using that online list for background checks should be an automatic dispatch of the cops for anyone who shows up with a tag of past/present/escaped felon. The problem with government "watch lists" is that they're designed to scoop up almost anyone, but they're also designed to make corrections impossible, unless you can prove you're a prominent RAT. Look what they did to Joe the Plumber with just ordinary records the government keeps.
http://boingboing.net/2008/01/10/another-fiveyearold.html
Ted Adams — the publisher of IDW comics — named his little son “Sam Adams,” a good, solid patriotic name. It’s also a name on the TSA’s no-fly list, and the five-year-old has spent his young life being harassed by airport security goons who think he’s a terrorist.
This is from a mass mailer who alerts people on the mailing list about impending legislations. Of course, there’s a commercial side to this in that they sell mass faxes to government officials. Nevertheless, the info is usually accurate (and unexpurgated)
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Alert: Once the politically diseased fat-cat politicians get a taste of gun grabbing power, they will become something resembling WELFARE RATS ON FOOD STAMPS! They ravenously eating up our rights, and consuming our future, all in the name of the greatest good for the greatest number.
Now, the Washington scallywags have concocted a new devious plan to grab your guns in the name of medical correctness! Unbelievable!
Of all the filthy, sneaky, lame-brained ideas! Washington is floating a contemptible new idea, to use medical records to disqualify you from owning a gun!
Just when I thought we had seen the worst of the worst, Washington comes up with a new low! Just think of it! The disabled, sick and medically disadvantaged will be defenseless in their homes unable to defend themselves from intruders because some politically diseased politicians denied them their right to protect themselves with a safe firearm!
Outrageous!
So you think I’m pulling your leg do you? How do you explain this?
NOW HEAR THIS! Ted Kennedy just released his poison Healthcare Bill to enslave America! However, his Bill not only creates a database of medical records, but also places the government into the position of determining if any Citizen is healthy enough to own a gun!
Can you believe that?!
Teddy doesn’t stop there! His National Socialist plan will take over the private insurance industry! The era of private health insurance companies will end as the unfettered appetite of the federal government puts a strangle hold on ALL insurance companies!
TeddyCare will create a federal forced mandate forcing all American Citizens to pay for National Health Insurance from the only approved insurer, the Federal Government! But it doesn’t stop there!
“Universal Mandate is off the drawing board and on the floor of the Houses!”
Under the TeddyCare Plan YOU WILL BUY HEALTH INSURANCE! Or??? Will the government take away your rights to own property until you do? If so, that means firearms are property and so is any other asset you own!
Do you own a membership to a Gun Club? Gun Safes? Loading equipment? Stock in Firearm manufacturers? Well, do you?
The government will ask you the same questions, however they will end the sentence with a phrase like this: “thank you for disclosure good Citizen, NOW hand them over. We can do this the easy way or we can do it the hard way, it’s up to you!”
Hold on Minuteman Steve; aren’t you going a little overboard on all this?
Ask yourself this:
If I were to tell you four years ago, a trillion dollar stimulus Bill would be passed by both Houses without our Representatives even reading it, you would have called me insane!
If I would have told you three years ago the federal government would take control of over 60 percent of a major auto manufacturer and then broker the deal with a foreign fat-cat group to buy out their interest in that same major U.S. car company at a loss, you would have called the men in white jackets and had them take me away.
If I would have told you two years ago Wall Street would collapse, and you would lose over half of the equity in your home, you would have rolled on the floor laughing at me!
If I would have told you one year ago your bank would be seized and force sold to a giant federally created banking conglomerate bearing the name: “Toxic Assets” you would have smirked and sneered at the idea
If I would have told you 6 months ago the federal government will spend:
$ 1, 000,000,000,000,000.00 in 1 day, of money they don’t have and can’t print, you would have told me to get lost you jack-ass!
TODAY, No one is calling the men in white jackets, rolling on the floor laughing, smirking, sneering or calling me insane or a jack-ass, why? Because it’s all come to pass!
I am telling you now, the National Healthcare plan will open up health records to the gun grabbers and they will try to declare many Americans are unfit to own a gun, then gun ownership will become extinct.
So, this begs the question, are you laughing now? Well, are you? I guess now, in a way, I wish this was just a bad dream. I wish we would wake up tomorrow to an America filled with freedom, liberty and justice. Unfortunately, those days are quickly fading.
To make matters worse, the bleeding heart nincompoops in their lust to gun grab in the name of health safety are about to stick it to the American worker!
Wait to you hear this!
Employers will be off the hook, they no longer need to provide ANY benefits to their workers. WHY? Because Uncle Sugar is going to give free medical to everyone! Older, valued employees will no longer be rewarded with a health insurance bonus package for years of loyal service; instead they must suck on the “hind tit” of the federal government. Yumbo!
As always, the most expensive thing to our freedom is free government benefits!
ALL of this in one swoop, taking away our guns, ripping-off the American worker and saddling the U.S. Citizen with more billions of dollars of debt and suffering!
And what if you don’t co-operate? What if your papers are not in order? What if you refuse to surrender your guns? What if you don’t kiss the ever fattening gluteus maximus of Uncle Sam? Guantanamo? Holding Camps? Revocation of gun rights? The Government aborts the young and helpless, what makes you impervious to their power?
Once the politically diseased fat-cat politicians get a taste of gun grabbing power, they will become something resembling WELFARE RATS ON FOOD STAMPS! They ravenously eating up our rights, and consuming our future, all in the name of the greatest good for the greatest number.
Maybe you had better sit down and take a deep breath. This next part will knock you on the floor, so hold on tight!
HERE IT IS! Paycheck takeover! Your paycheck will have to be forked over to Teddy’s Health Care Mandate, without choice, competition or consideration. The American Worker is about to have his paycheck commandeered!
WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE HEALTH BENEFITS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS, LIBERAL NINCOMPOOPS AND THE ANTI-AMERICAN CROWD? (Look in the mirror)
But wait, here is the deadly part! What about the self-employed Gun Shop Owner, or the self-employed Gunsmith? His books, records of sale, his entire inventory will become collateral for the government mandated health insurance.
If you are self-employed your business will become collateral, but if you are self-employed in any type of a gun enterprise all of your customers’ records will become assets of the state as they collateralize your medical insurance with your receivables making your records government visible, all this in the name of the greater good for the greatest number.
Are your alarm bells ringing? Is your head spinning? This deadly Bill is being considered now! Not if it is good for America or if it is Constitutional, but how can the National Socialists sell the public on their poisonous concept.
KEEP READING
How do the anti-freedom pinkos explain the use of Health Insurance Records to disqualify potential gun owners or to revoke their gun rights? Very simple, misplaced values dictate Uncle Sugar must protect the American people from themselves! There could be nothing further from the truth!
WHY DO WE NEED A HEALTH INSURANCE - GUN OWNER DATABASE? Let me guess, because “The Government will know you own a gun and they will demand it from you? How does that sound?
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NATIONAL SOCIALIST MOTIVES
The secret is out, by seizing our health records in the NAME of national health care, the Obama Socialist Agenda would have a Touch Down with an extra point!
Filtering gun ownership through a health screening process would be a nail in the coffin for gun owners, as well as for freedom loving U.S. Citizens, and institutes leverage in gun control legislation.
Destroying Gun ownership through the use of medical records would seriously obliterate the Second Amendment.
SAD DAY: What type of elected official would exploit the sickness and failing health of any Citizen as a reason to remove their 2nd Amendment rights? This is despicable! The exploitation and abuse by the anti-gun mob with the use of personal and confidential medical records is a loathsome combination, as well as anti-American!
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d. Media broadcasts to infuse guilt and shame, targeting firearm owners, painting them as haters of the uninsured.
e. Politically Diseased Politicians are perverting the meaning of the Second Amendment and proclaim free benefits for all! (at your expense)
f. Dirty Judges to rule in a disingenuous and jaded manner on gun critical issues and pro-national health care cases.
g. Vilify Gun owners as anti-American, illegal, dangerous and against caring for the sick and dying of America.
THE ANTI-FREEDOM MOB IS USING NATIONAL HEALTHCARE AS THEIR WAY TO GRAB OUR PERSONAL RECORDS AND OUR GUNS!
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (CA) publicly admitted: “guns would be banned and confiscated” if she could have her way.
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FOLKS, you have seen for yourselves the threat is at the door! Gun ownership is in jeopardy, Gun Ownership Databases derived from the National Health Care scam is being prepared for installation!
To make matters worse our elected President actually has suggested a mandatory health care package is a good thing! Disgusting!
How long until all conservatives are automatically labeled terrorists by this government?
“I believe there is another motive ... that we just don’t see due to his sleight-of-hand and the smoke and mirrors.”
I am with you in that train of thought. #1, It’s Democrats, #2, It’s Frank Lautenberg, #3 It’s more control.....the list can go on.
“.....because they had no legal way to stop them, according to a new government report.”
“...a new government report.” Tells us it’s current, which means to me the source is Democrat controlled, therefore to me means the results are designed to meet their agenda.
“Gun purchases must be approved unless federal officials can find some other disqualification of the would-be buyer, like being a felon, an illegal immigrant or a drug addict.”
Right there is a line that means in the manner it is written IMO that they (Democrats) seek easier excuses for disqualifying potential gun buyers.
Ultimately they wish to create a club-like atmosphere in which one will feel privileged, and as a member of their “In crowd” to be allowed to own a weapon, with all their restrictions on placement in the home, gun locks, weapons dismemberment, etc. of course.
If the Left cannot steal that which is the dream of somebody else’s as a tool to draw the unsuspecting into their collective, they recognize the dreams, the desires common to all people, and create the various illusions necessary to draw those unsuspecting into their collective.
The spider to the fly sort of thing.
That’s my main concern—that they can define “terrorists’ to be anyone they deem “dangerous”.
But being “dangerous” to tyrants is a far cry from being dangerous to America.
But I thought Teddy WAS a terror (to liberty, that is)!
Mister "Terrorist Watch List", let me introduce you to Mister "United States Constitution". Mr TWL., we've got this funny thing called "Due Process" that sort of prevents you from stripping citizens of their Second Amendment rights just because they are being "watched". I'm sure as a FR contributor, I'm being "watched" right now. Doubtless, my posting inflammatory comments such as "At least the Iranian president HAS A BIRTH CERTIFICATE" has me being "watched" regularly. And guess what? You betcha I still exercise my 2nd Amendment rights.
8 gallons of gasoline = 50 pounds of explosives.
I know... Let's all write a letter, maybe pen a scathing op ed, get out and run around trying to shift the votes of the apathetic masses...
That'll work to fix things. Won't it? After all... Look how well it's worked the last 70 years.
Since the Terrorist “Watch List” is frequently in error and not on legal status, they MUST be allowed to buy weapons.
Don’t want them armed? Arrest them and charge them.
What's this "due process" you speak of?
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