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Dinos to Birds evolution doubted
Bio-Medicine.org ^ | June 2009 | John Ruben

Posted on 06/12/2009 9:24:45 AM PDT by raygunfan

CORVALLIS, Ore. Researchers at Oregon State University have made a fundamental new discovery about how birds breathe and have a lung capacity that allows for flight and the finding means it's unlikely that birds descended from any known theropod dinosaurs.

(Excerpt) Read more at bio-medicine.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: birds; dinosaurs; evolution; fools

1 posted on 06/12/2009 9:24:45 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: raygunfan

The conclusions add to other evolving evidence that may finally force many paleontologists to reconsider their long-held belief that modern birds are the direct descendants of ancient, meat-eating dinosaurs, OSU researchers say.

“It’s really kind of amazing that after centuries of studying birds and flight we still didn’t understand a basic aspect of bird biology,” said John Ruben, an OSU professor of zoology. “This discovery probably means that birds evolved on a parallel path alongside dinosaurs, starting that process before most dinosaur species even existed.”


2 posted on 06/12/2009 9:27:53 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: raygunfan

I already knew that (Genesis 1).


3 posted on 06/12/2009 9:28:09 AM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: raygunfan

So. Isn’t that what theories are all about? Until something can be proven, there will always be doubts.


4 posted on 06/12/2009 9:39:15 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Marie2; stylecouncilor

Though in detailing kashrus God mentions “bird” species in Leviticus XI19, then uses the same word “tinshemet” referring to reptilian species in XI30.

I’ve always thought that interesting.


5 posted on 06/12/2009 9:45:41 AM PDT by onedoug (SARAH!)
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hey, im a died in the wool creationist, this just is fun to point out the moronic theories of evolutionism....


6 posted on 06/12/2009 9:51:42 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: stuartcr
So. Isn’t that what theories are all about? Until something can be proven, there will always be doubts.

'doubts' doesn't quite cover the constant ridicule if you don't go along with the 'theory' the whole time...

7 posted on 06/12/2009 10:09:21 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

Perhaps you evolved from a more thin-skinned species?


8 posted on 06/12/2009 10:15:26 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr
Perhaps you evolved from a more thin-skinned species?

thank you for proving my point.

9 posted on 06/12/2009 10:27:43 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes
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To: raygunfan
that birds descended from any known theropod dinosaurs

I had always thought it must of been the other way around; birds to dinosaurs.

10 posted on 06/12/2009 10:49:32 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: onedoug
Interesting indeed as the term tinshemet means breather or something puffed up like some lizards do, and is translated swan in the A.V.

From The Jewish Encyclopedia.Com: ( partial, excerpt)
“The tinshemet of Lev. xi. 30 must not be confounded with a bird of the same name mentioned in Lev. xi. 18.”

Thus it appears that tinshemet was a characteristic of both a reptile and a bird that allowed identification as being unclean for food, species not being important.

11 posted on 06/12/2009 11:01:02 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: raygunfan

If evolution allows multicellular organisms to develop from
pond scum, what is so hard about evolving a specifically
fixed joint? Why would that force parallel evolution?


12 posted on 06/12/2009 11:02:12 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: Getready

im not saying it would force parallel evolution, they are, they have to say these things to save face....it’s evolutionism uber alles


13 posted on 06/12/2009 11:04:06 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: raygunfan

Birds from dinosaurs (feathery, brightly colored dinosaurs no less) is now a tenet of faith in The Temple of Darwinism so the research, at best, will be ignored.


14 posted on 06/12/2009 11:14:48 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

exactly, ignore, and disparaged, and the researchers reps will probably be besmirches as (gasp) intelligent design freaks, or (screammmm) closet creationists...


15 posted on 06/12/2009 11:54:50 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: count-your-change
"For one thing, birds are found earlier in the fossil record than the dinosaurs they are supposed to have descended from," Ruben said.

Hmm. I'm not aware of this.

But coincidence or none, I love The Bible and science together. Everything is just so much more interesting.

16 posted on 06/12/2009 12:29:53 PM PDT by onedoug (SARAH!)
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To: onedoug

Absolutely! Consider some of the dietary restrictions upon the Mosaic Law and how it promoted good health for those people. Just one example.

cheers!


17 posted on 06/12/2009 2:24:38 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: raygunfan

They probably have subconscious creationist leanings, its the only explanation or perhaps they’ve been tainted by thinking too much.


18 posted on 06/12/2009 3:11:04 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: onedoug

“I’ve always thought that interesting.”

I can imagine one or the other referring to the flying reptiles, like the pterodactyls.

They are sort of both. Not in our current system of classification, but, to the eye. A bird and a reptile at the same time.


19 posted on 06/12/2009 3:44:24 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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