Posted on 06/08/2009 11:04:36 AM PDT by ventanax5
There is far more violence in the Bible than in the Quran; the idea that Islam imposed itself by the sword is a Western fiction, fabricated during the time of the Crusades when, in fact, it was Western Christians who were fighting brutal holy wars against Islam. So announces former nun and self-professed freelance monotheist, Karen Armstrong. This quote sums up the single most influential argument currently serving to deflect the accusation that Islam is inherently violent and intolerant: All monotheistic religions, proponents of such an argument say, and not just Islam, have their fair share of violent and intolerant scriptures, as well as bloody histories. Thus, whenever Islams sacred scriptures the Quran first, followed by the reports on the words and deeds of Muhammad (the Hadith) are highlighted as demonstrative of the religions innate bellicosity, the immediate rejoinder is that other scriptures, specifically those of Judeo-Christianity, are as riddled with violent passages.
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I did.
Stalin or Mao or his fellow Commies killing millions for political influence, is one thing. To blame that on Atheism, is just idiocy.
Like saying that guns kill people, and not the ones that pull the triggers...
Your “atheism” is obviously “grounded” in ignorance.
You have no clue as to the nature of the God that you denounce as non-existant.
Would the term be
“IGnostic”?
Same with the Hindus.
As for idol-worship:
That said...
The Bhagavad-Gita. |
Chapter XII |
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PS: Satan, God, Angels and Demons, all works of man's imagination.
I think you are imagining things again, unless my memory is slipping... care to point it out for me?
>>the nature of the God
IMO, mankind’s attempts to understand God are akin to trying to explain inflight meals to a fish.
Or the blind men clustering around an elephant.
Some things may well be beyond our reach and comprehension.
Go ahead, humor me. Make me believe...
I guess you’re accepting your defeat in this debate...
The hostility was against your faulty example, by the way.
You might want to sharpen your comprehension sklls.
>.Perhaps youd take a crack against suicide bombing Hindu Tamil Tigers too
Oh give me a break.
How many Hindus did you see agitating around the world for the war in SriLanka.
The protests were ethnically based, there was no browbeating and chestthumping BS about violence against Hindu Tamils by the Sinhalese.
Now, contrast with the wails and teethgnashing that accompanies say, the Israeli campaigns against Hamas and Hizbollah.
And also bear in mind that as in the case of Hindu on Christian violence, some of that is instigated by Marxists claiming to be Christians and whatnot.
In fact, a few months ago, the Naxalites admitted to the very thing after a spate of violence.
I am admitting I don’t care what you think.
But you dropped the point that my tribe exists, despite the world’s best efforts.
And the Nazis were polytheists (especially the core), BTW, not Christians, so your “spawn of Judaism hates Jews” claim doesn’t work, as well.
LOL, the Tamil Tigers are a Marxist-leaning terror outfit, and has barely anything to do with religion, other than worshiping Prabhakaran...
The top cadre comprised of both Hindus AND Christians.
Have you forgotten who Anton Balasingham was? Or Charles Anthony, for that matter?
No, your hatred is pretty clear. It radiates from your posts.
Incorrect. You are completely free. Even with a gun to your head, you can choose.
The essential freedom of Free Will is not reduced nor vitiated in any degree by the fact that our actions have consequences. We are not constrained to choose well - that would be the same as having no ability to choose. We are punished for choosing evil, but we may choose it.
Some people literally choose evil instead of good. It is a very terrible thing, and it happens. I have done it myself.
Fortunately we are in Time, and we still have a chance to retract our evil choices.
Not that you were doing this exactly, but be careful not to try to explain away your Free Will. Don't (for instance) imagine that we are predestined automata or leaves upon the wind, or something else that cannot choose its path. We are Men, with all the dreadful responsibility that that implies.
Hope this was helpful. UK time here, I am off home. Regards to all.
Oooh, Catholicism. Nice for you to open up that tangent. I’ll let my Catholic brothers deal with THAT. I’m sure they’ll have lots to say. I am not a Catholic.
As for the passage of the Bhagavad-Gita, that passage is NOT what passes for Hinduism — and you know it. Show me a Hindu temple without a single Idol.
And besides, Hindus believe that the Creation + Creator are all one. Which is logically nonsensical — along with reincarnation and caste systems.
But please, our argument is larger than the merits of Hinduism or lack thereof so let’s not get sidetracked. Rather, your beef is with ANY religion. Because, you are “smart” enough to believe there is NO possibility of a God. Be He Hindu, Islamic, Judeo-Christian or Other.
Now THAT takes some faith!
NAZIS were polytheists? Who were their deities? The NAZIS came to power through the ballot-box. Who were the people who voted them in? What was their religious affiliation?
It was not in isolation that Hitler nurtured his anti-Jew madness. Germany had another historic figure, with an anti-Jew bent.
His name was Martin Luther.
The Bhagavad-Gita is the essence of Hinduism, and its most important text.
Catholic churches are full of statues and idols. But that is not what Christianity is about, so your temple logic is idiotic.
Hindus don’t believe that the Creator and Creation are one- just that the Divine is present in all beings.
It’s about as sensible as believing in an imaginary, infallible being that needs to test its own creation for faults.
Like I said before, all products of Man’s imagination.
The best thing I read on the Cairo speech was this. By calling it an address to the Muslim world, a geographically, ethnically diverse world, Obama and his cheerleaders implicitly accepted that Islam is Political.
Well, according to the Catholics, the Christians outside the Church are “Christians”, viz., heretics.
According to the Protestants, the Catholics are idolators.
What’s your persuation?
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